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| SKIandSKY |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 00:42:41
....this has had a huge impact on me, enough that I think I'm going to save up for a Kahr 45 now.
http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/files/terminal_ballistics_as_viewed_in_a_morgue.pdf
I am printing this out now.
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| Jim1911a1 |
Posted - 05/12/2012 : 08:03:17
I feel completely confident with 124gr +P gold dots. They really pack a punch. Also the 147 grain HST. Both very reliable and powerful 9mm rounds. |
| Smurf |
Posted - 05/12/2012 : 06:10:46
This one now rides in a CBST
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| SKIandSKY |
Posted - 05/12/2012 : 00:10:46
Yes Smurf, I am mature enough to admit when I'm wrong.
*I STILL think a .380 in an ankle rig or Thunderwear holster is the trick for really hot summers but I don't have the funds right now for that.
Next planned pistol purchase is a P45 or CW45 though! |
| Tigershack |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 11:00:59
Pistols are what you use if you don't have a rifle or shotgun.
I love the old spagetti westerns, but the Eastwood line from 'A Fistful of Dollars' where he states "no thanks, I'll stick with my .45" (instead of a lever action rifle) was pushing it a bit. |
| Chup |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 09:24:24
Here we go again. |
| kingcrabbercurrry |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 08:44:05
Other than "working in a morgue", which could mean anything from hosing down the floor to signing the death certificate, what credentials or training does this anonymous internet persona have in terminal ballistics, forensic pathology or death investigation? What variables is he controlling for when making his decision regarding projectile effectiveness? How does he attempt to account for the performance of all the rounds in the GSWs he isn't seeing (ie Those that are not ending in an autopsy)?
For me, I'd rather take the word of a known quantity over an anonymous internet proselytizer. I have had the good fortune to exchange numerous emails and phone calls with Dr. Gary Roberts regarding terminal ballistics. Dr. Roberts is currently on staff at Stanford University Medical Center, a large teaching hospital and Level I Trauma Center were he performs hospital dentistry and maxillofacial surgery. After completing his residency at Navy Hospital Oakland in 1989, Roberts studied at the Army Wound Ballistic Research Laboratory: Letterman Army Institute of Research while on active military duty, and became one of the first members of the International Wound Ballistic Association.
Currently Roberts has been tasked with performing military, law enforcement, and privately funded independent wound ballistic testing and analysis. Roberts remains a Navy Reserve Officer and has recently served on the Joint Service Wound Ballistic IPT, as well as being a consultant to the Joint FBI-USMC munitions testing program and the TSWG MURG program. Roberts is frequently asked to provide wound ballistic technical assistance to numerous U.S. and allied SOF units and organizations. Roberts is also a technical advisor to the Association of Firearms and Toolmark Examiners, as well as to a variety of federal, state and municipal law enforcement agencies.
Dr. Roberts' thoughts on the matter are this:
"Keeping in mind that handguns generally offer poor incapacitation potential, bullets with effective terminal performance are available in all of the most commonly used duty pistol calibers— pick the one that you shoot most accurately, that is most reliable in the type of pistol you choose, and best suits your likely engagement scenarios.
For CCW and most urban LE duty, there are a lot of advantages in carrying a 9mm--easy to shoot one handed, relatively inexpensive to practice with, lots of bullets. When I injured my strong hand a few years ago and lost its use for several months, I found out how much more effective I was using a G19 weak handed compared to a 1911...
While I am not a big fan of the .357 Sig, if I was issued one and had lots of free ammunition available, I would have no issues about carrying one on a daily basis.
If I was in a department that issued .40 or was doing a lot of LE work around vehicles, I'd be strongly tempted to carry a M&P40. Lots of 180 gr JHP's that do well against intermediate barriers is a good thing.
The nice aspects of .45 ACP are that it makes large holes, can be very accurate, and offers good penetration of some intermediate barriers. Unfortunately, magazine capacity is less than ideal, .45 ACP is more expensive to practice with, and in general is harder to shoot well compared with 9 mm. .45 ACP makes the most sense in states with idiotic 10 rd magazine restrictions, in departments that give you lots of free .45 ACP ammo, or in situations where modern expanding ammunition is restricted due to asinine, illogical regulations.
The keys are:
-- Cultivate a warrior mindset
-- Invest in competent, thorough initial training and then maintain skills with regular ongoing practice
-- Acquire a reliable and durable weapon system
-- Purchase a consistent, robust performing duty/self-defense load in sufficient quantities (at least 1000 rounds) then STOP worrying about the nuances of handgun ammunition terminal performance" |
| hkguy |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 07:09:26
i take that article with a grain of salt. There have been huge ballistic advances for the defensive 9mm cartridge since that article was written in 2006. 147gr Federal HST, Winchester Ranger SXT or T-Series, or Speer Gold dots are more than capable to get the job done. |
| Smurf |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 05:52:58
Climbing out of the basement? Good for you. |
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