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| jeff hughes |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 14:07:48
I am about to purchase my first CCW. I have narrowed it down to a Glock 19 or a XDm compact.
I am 5'6" 160lbs. The grip on the glock, even the gen4 is too big. The grip on the springfield with the small backstrap is perfect. I like the glock trigger but hate the springfield's trigger.
I've done some research. I can get a grip reduction on the glock or a trigger job on the XDm. The total cost ends up in the same ballpark.
Opinions? |
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| mpgo4th |
Posted - 06/26/2012 : 09:47:36
If you like the glock but need a grip reduction, try a gen 4. I have never had an issue with the glock grip that most hate. I started out shooting glocks so it felt natural to me. But after picking up my gen 4 glock 19, I realized how much better it could be. I dont use the extra grip pieces as I think the stock "small" grip feels awesome. Give one a try. As a side note if grip is a deciding factor to you try a CZ 75. The smaller carry model. My dad has a CZ 75 PCR that shoots great. Very accurate and its an alloy frame so its lighter than there other compact 75. We both love it but we still carry glocks. |
| fusil |
Posted - 06/25/2012 : 08:03:31
The first time my son shot my 40Cal XD he shot better with it then he did with his Glock. He's talking about selling the Glock. I also had Springfield do a trigger job on my 9mm XDM competition model, they took it down to three pounds....what a difference. |
| modernswords |
Posted - 06/22/2012 : 18:54:56
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[ I think you are getting frustrated because you can't shoot your SIG 1911s in public...
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| gunslinger |
Posted - 06/22/2012 : 11:02:14
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Originally posted by Nathan
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Originally posted by gunslinger
The XD/M has a much better trigger than any Glock.
yes, if you like a mushy marshmellow feelng trigger with lots of unnecessary travel and no clear reset point, the xd has a better trigger. 
I can't believe you think the XD/M trigger is 'mushy.' Not going into reset points, as we've had that discussion and for you it is an issue, while it isn't for me. The Glock may have what you want in reset points, but you pull it forever before it finally goes off. The Springer, once you know the takeup point, has a clear break. The Smith's isn't as good, but still better than the Glock. And the M is a clear improvement on the XD's trigger pull--which was comparable to the Glock. Then Gen 4 17 is a very good gun, but I'll take my XD/M overall any day. The two extra rounds is also a big plus. 20 in a gun, plus 38 more in a double mag pouch, is the top 9mm firepower you can get. And, the XD/M shoots rings around the 17, as I noted elsewhere. I think you are getting frustrated because you can't shoot your SIG 1911s in public... |
| Nathan |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 12:02:04
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Originally posted by gunslinger
The XD/M has a much better trigger than any Glock.
yes, if you like a mushy marshmellow feelng trigger with lots of unnecessary travel and no clear reset point, the xd has a better trigger. |
| gunslinger |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 11:44:41
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Originally posted by modernswords
I'll be the odd one here and caast my vote for the XD. I shoot the XD better and much prefer the ergonomics to the Glock. A PRP trigger and it is my choice every time. I have two XDs.
I am a minority here...
I think I'm not in the minority by saying I prefer a SA trigger over any DAO or stiker-fired gun.
You're not alone. The XD/M has a much better trigger than any Glock. It also has a match grade barrel and grip safety. The sights are also excellent--not like the 25 cent plastic crap that Glock calls sights. Plus you get a lot of goodies with the pistol. I shot a 17 and my XD/M at the same time the other day. The Springer shoots rings around the Glock. I'm not saying the Glock is a bad gun or even not worth the money. It is simply not as good as the SA or Smith competitors. The Gen 4 has improved--especially getting rid of the 2x4 width grip, but still is a distant 3rd, imo. |
| YooperTrav |
Posted - 06/19/2012 : 15:53:30
...and until Smith & Wesson makes right on my M&P Shield (that has been sent back twice now) I will not recommend anybody purchase anything from them |
| YooperTrav |
Posted - 06/19/2012 : 15:51:56
i would also vote for the XD. I just prefer the safety features. I have owned both and they are both excellent and reliable weapons. I have not seen one in person yet, but Im very interested in the new XDs in .45 |
| modernswords |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 18:35:56
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Originally posted by zonker1986
agree with Nathan. You can ususally find Glock 32's a bit cheaper than the others as the .357SIG is not as popular.
And much more expensive to shoot (even for reloaders like me) |
| modernswords |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 18:33:51
I'll be the odd one here and caast my vote for the XD. I shoot the XD better and much prefer the ergonomics to the Glock. A PRP trigger and it is my choice every time. I have two XDs.
I am a minority here...
I think I'm not in the minority by saying I prefer a SA trigger over any DAO or stiker-fired gun. |
| 1813Anschutz |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 18:07:10
Don't rule out a good revolver either...S&W M19/66, M 686, or a J frame M36...Ruger SP101 etc. Not only do you have the legendary reliability, but you can change grips to make fit any hand, you can fire it double action or if you are a real trigger snob, fire it single action and have the best of both worlds.
I NEVER feel under-armed with a good revolver and a great holster/belt combination, AND.....I am not picking up brass!!
I shot in a USPSA match yesterday with a revolver (S&W M 25-2)with full moon clips in .45 ACP and had a hoot winning the revolver category. One friend of mine that is a Grand Master from Arkansas looked at it and said, " I see you are shooting a thinking man's gun today" Indeed....had to think about where I was going to reload for a lot of the stages......The brass picker just love picking up after me with the full moon clips as well.......
Anyway, don't rule it out.
Randy |
| Tigershack |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 17:40:09
I agree with above statements.....you need to get out and try the pistols in your own hand. I am satisfied with Glocks but there are lots of other great choices.
I personally find the M&P's a better feeling pistol in the hand. And if you want to go 9mm, you also need to check a Sig 226; I nearly got one of these, but chose the cheaper G19.
CZ's are nice handguns and a great bargain.
The Browning HiPower is a true classic. I have an old BDM that is similar somewhat to a HiPower...makes me want to get a real HP. A really good pointer and very slim, like a 1911.
Check several gunshops and even pawnshops....some great deals in pawnshops. |
| Tigershack |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 17:34:13
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Originally posted by Nathan
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Originally posted by Tigershack
for a little bit more, get a .40S&W barrel and a few .40 mags, incase you want to try this larger bullet.
it wont work. you can convert a .40 to 357 sig and 9mm. you can convert a 357 sig to .40 and 9mm. you cannot convert 9mm to anything. the hole in the slide is too small to accept barrels drilled for larger calibers.
i recommend getting the 357 sig version because you can convert it to 9mm, and since the 357 sig doesnt sell as much as the .40 you can often find it considerably cheaper.
Oops, backwards.....I have a G23 that I can convert to 9mm. Never mind!
Good tip though...get the .357sig or .40 gun and convert to 9mm with new barrel and mags if you want to save some money for plinking. |
| jeff hughes |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 16:33:55
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Originally posted by 1813Anschutz
Get the one that fits YOUR hand and be done with it. That is why the M&P is so popular...you can make it fit almost any hand.
Be not afraid to test some other VERY fabulous handguns like a Browning Hi Power, CZ 75, Sig, HK,
etc.
Fit is paramount.
Randy
I held an MandP today. I like it with the small backstrap(not quite as well as the XDm). If the trigger is nice it will probably be the ticket.
I don't trust myself disengaging a safety under stress yet, and DA/SA triggers are not for me. I love the Springfield EMP from an ergonomic standpoint. I really like the Sig P239, but the DA trigger sucks. I'm getting mixed feedback on Kahrs, and would like a crisper trigger, but they do fit my hand well.
I'm a fairly new shooter, if not for the safety issue I would go with a EMP for EDC, and a Sig P938 for when I just had to have a smaller gun. |
| jeff hughes |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 16:19:19
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Originally posted by Will R.
I agree with 1813, find one that fits your hand and stop worrying so much about price.
Remember, you want an accurate, reliable pistol that you may need to use to save your life and/or your family's.
If you have to wait and save some money for a quality sidearm -- do it.
The old saying "Buy once, cry once" is very true.
Good luck.
I don't recall saying price is a big deal.
I happy to spend the money on a top notch grip reduction. I'm also happy to pay for a top notch trigger job. I want the best gun long term.
800, 1000, 1200, just want a great gun...
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| Will R. |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 16:00:23
I agree with 1813, find one that fits your hand and stop worrying so much about price.
Remember, you want an accurate, reliable pistol that you may need to use to save your life and/or your family's.
If you have to wait and save some money for a quality sidearm -- do it.
The old saying "Buy once, cry once" is very true.
Good luck.
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| 1813Anschutz |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 15:12:00
Get the one that fits YOUR hand and be done with it. That is why the M&P is so popular...you can make it fit almost any hand.
Be not afraid to test some other VERY fabulous handguns like a Browning Hi Power, CZ 75, Sig, HK,
etc.
Fit is paramount.
Randy |
| MonkeyScribe |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 00:00:23
You can mod glocks easier and get aftermarket parts. XDs are much more ergonomic and IMO easier to shoot. Take your pick. |
| zonker1986 |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 22:46:08
agree with Nathan. You can ususally find Glock 32's a bit cheaper than the others as the .357SIG is not as popular. Get a .40SW barrel and a 9mm barrel and you have three guns in one. Only need to buy 9mm Glock 19 mags as the .357SIG and 40SW mags work for both rounds.
XDm's are nice guns....just have never been able to figure out how to carry my XD's comfortably since they weigh a bunch more than Glocks, and not a fan of the XD or XDm trigger.
If you have no desire to have three guns in one and don't care to have the extra ammo issues, then a 3rd Generation Glock 19 will make you happy.
My trusted friend and partner for 7 years.
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| mazdaspeedrx8 |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 21:50:31
Get the glock it wont let you down |
| SierraTJ |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 21:00:26
Hey Nathan, that is an interesting idea. Can you find it cheap enough to offset the barrel swap and new mags? Or in my case, just the barrel swap, as I love the .40. |
| Nathan |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 20:51:50
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Originally posted by Tigershack
for a little bit more, get a .40S&W barrel and a few .40 mags, incase you want to try this larger bullet.
it wont work. you can convert a .40 to 357 sig and 9mm. you can convert a 357 sig to .40 and 9mm. you cannot convert 9mm to anything. the hole in the slide is too small to accept barrels drilled for larger calibers.
i recommend getting the 357 sig version because you can convert it to 9mm, and since the 357 sig doesnt sell as much as the .40 you can often find it considerably cheaper. |
| Tigershack |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 20:28:25
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Originally posted by jeff hughes
I have read that. I'm thinking the glock will be more reliable...
Any opinions on gen3 vs gen4?
I got the G19, generation 3....just because it was cheaper. No complaints. Classic piece, arguably the most reliable automatic, and uses the most plentiful NATO ammo (for SHTF scenerios.)
Oh, and for a little bit more, get a .40S&W barrel and a few .40 mags, incase you want to try this larger bullet. I like the .40 I have to admit....bit more pop in your puncher.  |
| jeff hughes |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 20:28:23
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Originally posted by 5lima30ret@gmail.com
Shoot both and it should become apparent which one works for you! BTW,
either one is great IMHO!
that's the problem, neither work as is... |
| Nathan |
Posted - 06/17/2012 : 20:27:35
i have nothing bad to say about the third generation; all six of my glocks are third gen. that said, i can think of no reason not to go with the forth gen. |
