| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Nathan |
Posted - 05/06/2012 : 12:52:25
i removed MY M&P SHIELD from my pocket this morning and noticed that the guide rod was sticking out of the end of the slide a little bit. closer inspection showed me that the gun was out of battery. apparently when i put it in my pocket i knocked the slide out of battery; this is somewhat common....but the bad thing is that the slide doesnt return on its own.
unloaded this doesnt happen, but loaded its repeatable 100% of the time. im unsure if the gun will fire or not, but i dont want to find out and get a KB either.
CLICK HERE for the video
...it looks like ill be calling S&W tomorrow. sheesh...ive had horrible luck with reliability in sub-compacts! 
Update:
thanks to a recommendation from my good friend randy, it appears as if the issue is how hard the cartridges are being ground into the slide as shown by the excessive brass buildup.
Note:
after reading some of the responses on other forums linking to this thread i wanted to ad this. its a dang shame that some people are so pathetic to look informed that they would rag on safety techniques used in the video i made to demonstrate the failure. in order to demonstrate the issue i placed my hand in front of the muzzle to pull the slide into battery. not only was this done in a controlled environment with fingers nowhere near the trigger, but the cartridge used was a training cartridge consisting of a bullet pressed into spent brass with no powder or primer. grow up and try to help others instead of looking for ways to elevate yourself through criticism when you dont have the facts. |
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| wachuko |
Posted - 05/20/2013 : 07:53:33
It is great to read this. Thank you for the follow up posts. I ended up getting a Beretta Nano and also planning on a S&W Shield and a Bodyguard. |
| jeff hughes |
Posted - 05/19/2013 : 11:55:34
quote:
Originally posted by GlockASA
So after some playing around with the Shield, I can only make it fail to go into battery with a press-check.
Same here, I carry with confidence... |
| GlockASA |
Posted - 05/17/2013 : 21:02:22
So after some playing around with the Shield, I can only make it fail to go into battery with a press-check. I cannot replicate this with either my pocket holster (Desantis Nemisis), or my IWB. This is very good news. The force required to get the gun to go out of battery is significant in my opinion and it does not appear that real world use (at this point) will cause this malfunction. Range session early in the AM, I will report back. |
| GlockASA |
Posted - 05/17/2013 : 20:39:34
quote:
Originally posted by Nathan
quote:
Originally posted by GlockASA
Shame on me.
It's a great little gun overall. No shame. 
I do love the gun and hope that this issue fixes itself or is easily fixed by Smith & Wesson. Is your Shield working properly at this point? Any at home fix available? |
| Nathan |
Posted - 05/17/2013 : 20:34:25
quote:
Originally posted by GlockASA
Shame on me.
It's a great little gun overall. No shame. |
| GlockASA |
Posted - 05/17/2013 : 20:23:27
Sorry to drag up an old topic, but it appears that this issue still exists in new Shields.
I just purchased mine last week chambered in 9mm and this issue occurs with both magazines. I am going to the range tomorrow for a break in, but i fear that I will be sending this to S&W soon...
Shame on me. |
| pitbullman |
Posted - 12/17/2012 : 00:40:02
So basically you could leave one round out of the short magazine and it be a non issue? |
| EvilBetty |
Posted - 12/16/2012 : 21:00:47
quote:
Originally posted by Nathan
had you told me it was reloads they may have a case. if WWB they are wrong. fight this.
It does kind of sound like a squib followed by a full round. |
| Nathan |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 21:07:37
they got it fixed to function properly with the extended magazine. the short magazine still does causes the issue but since i wont use the short mag anyway (i want my pinky firmly planted) its a non-issue for me. |
| pitbullman |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 21:02:19
So did you ever get your weapon running right Nathan? |
| Nathan |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 18:55:21
had you told me it was reloads they may have a case. if WWB they are wrong. fight this. |
| Kernsstmarys |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 18:36:07
Winchester white. Like I said just very disappointing |
| Nathan |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 17:59:02
i would definately link them to this thread. speak with a customer service manager; dont waste time with a CSR. never bother discussing the issue with anyone lacking the authority to over-ride any such decisions.
what ammunition were you shooting? |
| Kernsstmarys |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 17:47:19
S&w are telling me it's not their problem. No repair or refund |
| jeff hughes |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 17:43:58
^ very strange. I guess that would be better than not going bang...
Are you still carrying the Shield? |
| Nathan |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 17:34:53
quote:
Originally posted by jeff hughes
if your gun is out of battery won't go bang...
er, its not supposed to. i was able to get mine to fire once (empty, while testing) without being fully into battery. this was before i sent it into S&W the first time for repairs. it was only slightly out of battery and i dont know if it was close enough to count or not, but it wasnt seated fully and the striker did release. |
| jeff hughes |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 17:33:15
quote:
Originally posted by Kernsstmarys
I bought a shield first day they came out waited about a mth 1/2 to shoot it. When I did on the 3rd round the gun literally blew apart in my hands. It looked like it put a shell on a shell. I sent it to s&w who tell me it's a ammo problem. Is this what happens when one is out of battery and fired? Thank you
Nope, if your gun is out of battery won't go bang... |
| Kernsstmarys |
Posted - 12/12/2012 : 11:36:05
I bought a shield first day they came out waited about a mth 1/2 to shoot it. When I did on the 3rd round the gun literally blew apart in my hands. It looked like it put a shell on a shell. I sent it to s&w who tell me it's a ammo problem. Is this what happens when one is out of battery and fired? Thank you |
| lumberjack2003 |
Posted - 09/07/2012 : 10:36:28
Hi everyone,
I'm new to this forum but I've been posting about this very issue over at smith-wessonforum.com (http://goo.gl/RKUvn). I have the Shield .40 and it seems to be the same issue cited here. It's been back to Smith once already for the magazine drop problem (it was falling to the ground by it self after firing http://goo.gl/LGPxY) which they fixed, but they have yet to fix the RTB issue.
I posted a video of what is going on with mine...I'd be interested to hear feedback about whether it's the exact problem you guys are having.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKpzJGwWE50
I'm getting about 4% failure rates on loading and ejecting and I suspect it's tied to whatever is causing the FTRB issue... |
| vvenz |
Posted - 07/24/2012 : 07:18:39
quote:
Originally posted by YooperTrav
tonight i got my Shield back from its 3rd trip to the mothership. the paperwork says they replaced the BBL (same as they said the 1st time). I fully anticipated the problem to be the same, but it is apparently fixed. The 7 round magazine inserts/locks in place much easier. And I have tried dozens of times to get the slide to stick out of battery and recreate the failure. Even if I hold the gun flat or point it up to remove "gravity" from the equation, it still snaps back into battery. So I am finally satisfied.
I am however very disappointed in the customer service of S&W. It took them about 10 weeks to resolve my issue. and they were less than understanding, if not skeptical and disregarding toward me. And to top it off, I gave them written instructions to return the gun to me and my place of business AND email so I could be expecting it. (not alot of employers want you receiving firearms at work) Yet they shipped the gun to my home with no notice. And of course I was not home to receive it. In the future I will probably avoid S&W from this experience.
YooperTrav,
I am having the same problem and since there is some confusion with this issue with S&W, I was wondering if you had a Case# or Reference#, Incident # etc... - basically some internal number that S&W uses to track issues. If you or Nathan could post your reference #s then S&W would be able to lookup the issue from your Case #s and better understand the problem and hopefully find out what solution they used to fix it in your case and then do the same thing to my gun.
Thanks. |
| YooperTrav |
Posted - 07/22/2012 : 19:39:12
i think that may be the case. but i notice with my Kimber, the factory magazine is very stiff and my WC magazines springs are much lighter. i dont have the same Shield "slide" issues with my Kimber but I do have feeding problems with the WC magazine.
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| Nathan |
Posted - 07/22/2012 : 17:03:56
quote:
Originally posted by YooperTrav
its my opinion that this is a problem with the magazines. Im certain they sent back a different magazine on the 3rd try. This magazine is much easier to insert and doesnt seem to interfere with the slide motion.
i wonder if they just weakened the springs |
| YooperTrav |
Posted - 07/22/2012 : 11:55:56
its my opinion that this is a problem with the magazines. Im certain they sent back a different magazine on the 3rd try. This magazine is much easier to insert and doesnt seem to interfere with the slide motion. |
| GlockASA |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 21:02:35
quote:
Originally posted by Nathan
i havent even sent mine in yet for the third trip. im still waiting on the prepaid shipping label from them.
Ouch. Didn't mean to pour salt on the wound. How pervasive does this problem appear to be? Hit or miss, or are we talking a high % of the shields? |
| Nathan |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 20:57:00
i havent even sent mine in yet for the third trip. im still waiting on the prepaid shipping label from them. |
