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bwatkins1223
Advanced Member
USA
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 Posted - 11/03/2009 : 12:43:48
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I have thought about this before, about keeping a long gun of some sort in my trunk for a while. My ideas went from an SKS, to shotgun, to .22 rifle.
All in all, I think a shotgun would be the best choice. There may be a possibility I will be getting rid of my Jeep and just sticking with my car so this gun would be kept in the truck as securely as I can.
My question is, what would be a good model to fit this application?
I am thinking either a Mossberg or 870 but I think I want the ones with the flat finishes because they can hold more oil for storage in verious temps and the finish seems to be more durable.
I think I want it to be pretty short with an ar style stock for ease of use and storage...
Right now, I have a Mossy 500 Pursuader/Cruiser but it is a bit long for my taste for the trunk and it is set up for home defense.
This shotgun doesn't really have a 12 gauge because it wouldn't only serve for self defense or shtf. I am moving out to the country soon and there could be a lot more practical applications for a shotgun, at least that was my thought.
I live in Indiana so the weather can go from 100+ in the summer to -10 or more in the winter and from very humid to dry, pretty much every single type of weather out there, we experience it at one time or another
For those that carry a shotgun or any long gun for that matter what do you recommend? |
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Smurf
Junior Member
USA
432 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 06:36:21
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This one will fit the bill.
http://www.remtek.com/arms/hk/civ/benelli/m1s90.htm
I have this one and have carried it deer hunting. I also have a 870 that will do as well. I sure do like the Benelli. It can operate as a semi-auto or twist the ring and use it as a pump. They are very dependable and do not kick near as much as a pump. I would choose between the two, probably because they are what I am used to. The Mossys are very good too, but I don't own one. |
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Angrytony
Junior Member
USA
442 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 08:32:38
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bwatkins,
One thing I've learned from reading on these boards that one member stated that keeping shotshells in the vehicle can vibrate the contents of the shell, moving the powder and pellets around (which is why I thought the purpose of the plastic seperator was for) causing the shell not have have the "power". Maybe you should just carry slugs if this is the case. |
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sarge197
Watchdog
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 10:11:11
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I can attest that shotgun ammo carried in patrol cars for months (maybe years) on end does break down a bit. However, we shoot all our old shotgun ammo and it never fails to go boom.
As for a make/model, you might want to look at a Mossy Marine version of the 500. With the temperature extremes you mentioned and the likelihood of some moisture getting into the trunk, a marine finish might just be the ticket. In fact, if you are willing to spend a few extra dollars, Mossy makes one that comes in a nice o-ring sealed tube with a small survival kit included. It might just be the ticket! |
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montanapatriot
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 10:58:23
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| +1 on what Sarge said, the Mossberg Marine series is the way to go. (Best Price, built like a tank) Don't worry about your ammo too much, just shoot what you have once a year and replace it. |
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bwatkins1223
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 18:38:50
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Smurf, that HK is awsome! Havn't looked at the price of those but I would imagine it is up there...one day maybe.
The Mossy or 870 marine finish looks like it would be pretty good, I hadn't heard about keeping shotshells in the car could be bad for them, but it makes sense with all the moving around, hot/cold, humid/dry. Maybe I could just cycle the rounds every couple months and move the boxes that have been riding with me to the "range only" pile.
I have also thought about just using my Mossberg 500 that I keep for "home defense" even though 99.9% of the time I check on something I take my pistol. I would need to put a different finish on it, but I was planning to do that anyway, that may be the route I go before I go spending another $300+ on a shotgun just for my trunk, or I could look at something different, like a single shot shotgun because it would be cheaper, and more simple. Plus, it would work for what I want it for, not mainly defense, but things out in the woods, varmits, etc...
What are good/descent single shot 12GA shotguns, I have seen them at my local shop for just over $100 but can't think of the name. |
Eagle Scout November, 16th 2006
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Glock 19
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Angrytony
Junior Member
USA
442 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 19:31:00
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I think you are thinking of an Ithica... ?
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bwatkins1223
Advanced Member
USA
2545 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 21:42:33
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| Maybe... It seems like it was an off brand but maybe not. It has been a while since I have been there. |
Eagle Scout November, 16th 2006
Carry guns:
Springfield MilSpec .45ACP
Glock 19
KelTec PF9
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AzAKguy
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 22:14:42
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Bwatkins
In terms of ammo in the car, just keep what you think your might need - a box or two, then evey 6 months take it to the range and shoot it and repalce it with new. Pretty inexpensive. You will be fine - your not driving the Baha 500 everyday - right?
M1 Super 90 shotgun is a real machine. I had one. It is somewhat complex to take apart and operate compared to a pump. You can get a Mossy 500 or 590 for 1/3 the price and be in good shape in terms of a shotgun. My most recent shotgun is a FN police model pump. Very much like an 870 only a little less money and I dont think any less gun. Police trade in 870s are pretty cheap but get it checked out by someone who knows 870s.
As to a choice between a shotgun or a rifle in your trunk, having both a pump shotgun and a SKS would cover your bases. If I had to pick one or the other I would take the SKS because there are things a rifle can do that a shotgun can not. Take the Bank of America robbery in North Hollywood. That event is why just about every police car in the usa now has BOTH a shotgun AND a rifle that shoots an "intermediate cartridge" (223/7.62 X 39) carbine on board.
The fewer people that know what is in your truck the better. No gun stickers on the car. Decrease your chance of it getting broken into and stolen. Antoher reason to go SKS and Mossy - total price under $600. But still some kind of lock system is well worth considering. An M1 Super 90 is a grand. I would have cryed if mine got stolen.
Another option is to by a AK pistol for $400 and pay the $200 for the stamp and go SBR (short barrel rifle) and that way it does not have to be in the trunk, you can easily have it in the cab - check local laws.
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Gun_Enthusiast
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 10:16:06
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Originally posted by AzAKguy
Another option is to by a AK pistol for $400 and pay the $200 for the stamp and go SBR (short barrel rifle) and that way it does not have to be in the trunk, you can easily have it in the cab - check local laws.
AzAKguy
Yeah, but if you want to borrow your car to a friend or family member (who isn't on a valid trust) and the rifle isn't locked up, he could conceivably run across the stupid NFA possession problems if he got pulled over. Probably more pain than it's worth. The AK/AR pistol wouldn't be too bad on its own, with a red dot and or green laser it would do the short range duty plenty well.
Bryan: I'm not sure that it's *significantly* more durable/environment resistant than nickel plated shotguns, but I recently bought a Benelli Nova Tactical, for much the same role as you're considering. Chrome chamber/barrel, and melonite treated bolt/carrier and slide rails. All other steel parts are plastic encapsulated. In other words, it'll probably sweat off condensation just fine.
I'll post some pics and observations when I finally get to go shoot it, hopefully this month... |
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Geoff
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 10:24:23
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| Yeah you definitely cant forget its in there if you did that, I am going to do a SBR AR15 eventually, for now though I have an AK47 pistol that fits the bill and then some, really dont need the AR15 SBR but I like the looks of a 8 inch barrel with a buttstock lol |
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AzAKguy
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 11:03:29
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The Benelli Nova pump shotgun is very nice - has all the features one could want and is a very fast short stroke to operate and the price is attractive.
In terms of leaving your SBR in the car when a family member is driving it, there is a pretty good solution. Get a tennis racquet carry bag and keep the SBR or AK/AR pistol in it. You can then carry it to and from your car an no one knows the better. I can't claim credit for thinking of the "tennis racquet bag carry method", its in the Gabe S AK video and his AK book. The tennis raquet bag carry method will even work for a standard 16 inch barrel AK that has an under folder or side folder stock. Often times its better to have things look other than they really are.
I usually have a light weight jacket on the back seat of my truck and also a windshield sun screen. If I am coming from the range and want to stop for a burger or something, I will throw the jacket or sun screen over my shooting bag that is normally on the truck floor and it does not look suspect like the Sinefield comedy routine about the bed sheet over the TV in your car. A jacket over a nice flat tennis racquet bag would hide it pretty well.
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Gun_Enthusiast
Junior Member
USA
438 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 12:10:38
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Originally posted by AzAKguyGet a tennis racquet carry bag and keep the SBR or AK/AR pistol in it. You can then carry it to and from your car an no one knows the better.
Yeah, that's pretty cool! Too bad my state law only allows concealed handguns on person (yeah they'll trust you with a pistol, but a knife over 3 3/4" is a no-no?  ) A concealed rifle inside a vehicle isn't a problem though, so in theory an SBR inside a side-bag for my bike would work! |
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bwatkins1223
Advanced Member
USA
2545 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 14:18:54
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With a shotgun or rifle, can I have it loaded and chambered if just staying within the state? I live in Indiana. Or, can it just be loaded but no round in the chamber? I have gotten several different answers and seen the laws but I can't quite decode all that legal jargon. I know it varies from state to state.
It could be a good idea to leave it unloaded and keep a box of different ammo(if a shotgun) so I can choose bird/buckshot or slugs? I know an unloaded gun doesn't do much but I always have my pistol if I really needed it in a defensive situation. |
Eagle Scout November, 16th 2006
Carry guns:
Springfield MilSpec .45ACP
Glock 19
KelTec PF9
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away |
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AzAKguy
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 17:01:40
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This response also started as a separate post in the ccw/2nd amendment section of CCF.
BWATKINS asked a legality question in his above post about a long guns in cars, so I responded with the below.
I hope you find it to be of some value.
I think for any legal question, it would be best to contact your local authorities, Attorney Generals Office or the Police, and ask them what code section in your state covers firearms. Chances are you will be able to read that code section on line. It makes sense to have that page "Bookmarked" or in your "Favorites" on your computer.
Also this link
http://www.gunlaws.com/books.htm
or this one
http://www.gunlaws.com/consult.htm
Will get you to the pages of Alan Korwin. You can read about him on the second link above.
His first firearms law guide book was one for Arizona, but he now seems to offer them for many other states. Almost everyone I know who is a shooter in Arizona has one, and they are often recommended by CCW instructors in their classes. Its a good investment.
He does not seem to have a book specifically on BWATKINS home state except for The Traveler's Guide to the Gun Laws of the 50 States, which I have and it says about Indiana (BWATKINS home state):
"Rifles and Shotguns may be carried in plain view or secured in a gun case in a vehicle as long as they remain unloaded during hunting season."
So it sounds like He would be fine to keep the SKS either in his passenger cab or trunk ANYTIME of year and just have a couple of stripper clips, or have the shotgun either in his passenger cab or trunk and keep rounds on a side saddle holder or/and on a butt stock holder ANYTIME of the year, but could load up both of them before and after hunting season.
This is an older copy of the book and I would check any interpretation of any law that I read against the on-line code section of that state to be sure it is correct.
I like having the "50 State Travel Guide" as it has given me a starting place for the trips I have taken to Florida (by air) and California (driving) but I also called the California and Florida Highway Patrol to verify what I had read and it was correct. |
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Gun_Enthusiast
Junior Member
USA
438 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 22:34:19
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Originally posted by bwatkins1223
With a shotgun or rifle, can I have it loaded and chambered if just staying within the state? I live in Indiana. Or, can it just be loaded but no round in the chamber? I have gotten several different answers and seen the laws but I can't quite decode all that legal jargon. I know it varies from state to state.
It could be a good idea to leave it unloaded and keep a box of different ammo(if a shotgun) so I can choose bird/buckshot or slugs? I know an unloaded gun doesn't do much but I always have my pistol if I really needed it in a defensive situation.
It looks like Indiana law doesn't have a lot to say about vehicle carry of long arms. Locked and loaded would appear fine. Maybe your state organization/NRA could tell you more. As for crossing states lines, without knowing which states you'd be interested in entering, it's impossible to say. But, since you border one of the most anti-gun states, Illinois, should you want to go there, you'll have to do as the Romans--follow their law.
The safe passage provision of the 1968 Firearms Owners "Protection" act supersedes local laws but only when you have the gun unloaded, cased and locked in the trunk, and you're only passing through the restrictive state. So, it's sort of the bare minimum that a state can ask of you.
Hope that helps |
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Serviam
Junior Member
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 23:08:41
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bwatkins1223
Advanced Member
USA
2545 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2009 : 23:04:34
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| Thanks again guys, I will try to confirm everything with my local PD, and NRA. I am close to just using my Mossy 500 that I already had for home defense but now I depend on my pistol for HD, and the shotty stays in the safe...might as well get a few miles on her. |
Eagle Scout November, 16th 2006
Carry guns:
Springfield MilSpec .45ACP
Glock 19
KelTec PF9
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away |
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GunNut
Average Member
USA
793 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2009 : 13:40:49
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bwatkins1223
Advanced Member
USA
2545 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2009 : 16:53:30
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Originally posted by GunNut
Savage 24J in .22/12GA
That sounds like a great setup. Any idea what those go for? |
Eagle Scout November, 16th 2006
Carry guns:
Springfield MilSpec .45ACP
Glock 19
KelTec PF9
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away |
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One for the trunk.
