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kevin
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 Posted - 11/03/2009 : 18:13:29
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Does anyone have the piston conversion for their AR15. Do you like it is it worth the money? Does it save on cleaning time and can I shoot corrosive wolf ammo without having to break down the entire rifle completely?
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tofst4u2no
New Member
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Posted - 11/03/2009 : 20:07:07
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| I'm in the process of installing an Adams Arms piston kit on my rifle. Going to pick up a Daniel Defense rail tomorrow and I'll have the install finished. I'll let you know how it goes but from everything I've read they are well worth the money. It WILL NOT however keep you from having to clean the rifle thoroughly after shooting corosive ammo. |
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AzAKguy
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/03/2009 : 21:07:31
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"corrosive Wolf ammo" I do not think any wolf ammo on the US market is corrosive - you can check with wolf on this. There is Russian and Bulgi and other nation of origin mil surplus on the US market but it usually comes in military packing (sardine cans for example) and is so labeled as coro.
With a gas piston system on your AR you will need to clean it much less frequently as gas is not being channeled back into the receiver/chamber to drive the bolt back (direct gas impingement operating system).
POF makes the advertising claim “cleaning optional” in terms of reliability with their gas pistol upper.
However, if you REALY ARE shooting coro ammo, a gas piston will not do anything to mitigate the need for cleaning ATLEAT in terms of keeping the bore from degrading or becoming damaged.
My AR (S&W M&P15 does not like steel case ammo - wolf) but that is because it has a very tight, match grade chamber. I could have it opened up a bit so I could run steel case but I won't do that. If Wolf 223 gets down to $200 a 1,000 again I will buy an AK in 223 so I can run "cheap" steel case ammo. Steel case Wolf runs fine In POF gas piston uppers also, but a POF upper is more than I would have to pay for an AK in 223.
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JamesT
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 08:03:12
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http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/adams_arms.asp
They had them last week for $299, I see they went up.
I thought about getting one.
Do you have to use their hand guard? (I don't like it)
BTW - They have some good videos linked up at the above site.
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Originally posted by tofst4u2no
I'm in the process of installing an Adams Arms piston kit on my rifle. Going to pick up a Daniel Defense rail tomorrow and I'll have the install finished. I'll let you know how it goes but from everything I've read they are well worth the money.
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PKL
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 08:21:49
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Originally posted by JamesT
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/adams_arms.asp
They had them last week for $299, I see they went up.
I thought about getting one.
Do you have to use their hand guard? (I don't like it)
BTW - They have some good videos linked up at the above site.
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Originally posted by tofst4u2no
I'm in the process of installing an Adams Arms piston kit on my rifle. Going to pick up a Daniel Defense rail tomorrow and I'll have the install finished. I'll let you know how it goes but from everything I've read they are well worth the money.
cool videos indeed! |
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AzAKguy
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 13:12:55
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List price of just under $400 makes The Admas Arms gas piston kit an option I would consider. I have looked at POF gas piston uppers but they are the best part of $2,000.00 and therefore something that I would not buy for my $1,000 AR rifle, not when I can get a KVAR AK in 223 for around $700.00. Thanks for posting this.
If anyone has or gets one of these let us know how it runs.
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kevin
Starting Member
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 04:49:01
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I hate corrosive ammo it makes me paranoid. I only use it in my Mosin Nagant and i am obsessive about cleaning it. I don't wanna shoot corrosive ammo out of my $900 AR15 but if the gas piston system will allow me to do that with out me cleaning the gun 3 times after shooting corrosive then the piston is worth it. It would appear it does not so i probably wont. If getting a piston kit will make my gun last longer and increase the value of the gun so if i ever need to sell it i can make money on it the piston kit is worth it to me.
I have some more questions about this piston kit.
- will the gun last longer?
- will the value of the gun go up?
- what are some other benefits to installing a piston kit?
thanks
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AzAKguy
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 05:26:44
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kevin - are you sure that the wolf ammo you are shooting is coro? Like I said before - that would suprise me
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JamesT
Average Member
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 07:21:47
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Originally posted by kevin
I have some more questions about this piston kit.
- will the gun last longer?
- will the value of the gun go up?
- what are some other benefits to installing a piston kit?
- I don't think it will. Your barell will be the determining factor, not the action.
- It should.
- You don't have to clean it as much. It won't get so hot, you can fire more rounds within a given period of time. You can shoot more rounds inbetween cleanings. It won't missifire as much.
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tofst4u2no
New Member
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 20:23:53
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I got a chance to shoot my AR with the Adams Arms kit today for the first time and I have to say WOW it really works GREAT. The rifle cycles great and I didn't have a single issue whatsoever. I put about 150 rounds through it and the chamber and upper dont even look like it's been shot at all. Pulled the piston out of the front of the gas block and cleaned it. Did a quick pass with a chamber brush and mop. Ran a couple patches down the barrel and I was DONE cleaning it. I took the bolt out of the BCG and didn't even bother to clean it because there was NOTHING on it except the Mobil 1 I put there before heading to the range.
As far as cutting down on the weapon getting hot. It does keep the upper and bolt carrier cooler than a direct gas system but I did not notice anything forward of the barrel extension to be any cooler that a regular rifle.
Another benefit of the piston system is if you ever decide to get a supressor the piston system has a setting for that which lets less gas back into the system which in turn keeps it cleaner. I've fired an AR15 with a supressor before and it was EXTREMELY dirty to shoot so that's a big plus.
I was lucky and got mine on the group purchase that Adams Arms had going on AR15.com last month and I bought their kit and a solid one piece bolt carrier and got the piston kit for 249 and the BCG for 139. I will say though that even at full price it's completely worth the money. |
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JamesT
Average Member
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 09:33:02
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Thanks for the report.... it will be on my Christmas list.
Did you use the hand guard that came with it or your own? |
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Geoff
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 10:36:54
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| Thanks for the great report, makes sense really to upgrade our current rifles rather than buying a Sig556 lol, I would love to have the sig 556 but I will probably end up buying an M1 instead for my next rifle |
NRA Basic Pistol Instructor, Gun Collector, Hunter, Sportsman, and EDUCATED VOTER lol
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
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Tequila
Senior Member
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 19:17:33
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| Now, that's what our soldiers need if the higher ups want to stick with the M-4 or M-16. |
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tofst4u2no
New Member
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Posted - 11/10/2009 : 12:42:52
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James, I did not use the supplied handguards I have a Daniel Defense 7.0 LITE rail that I'm using with it.
Geoff, I hear you on the Sig556. I just couldn't justify their asking price for it. I would put my rifle with the piston system up against the Sig556 any day and I'd be willing to bet that there's no difference in function or reliability, just a difference in price tag |
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JamesT
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 11/10/2009 : 13:27:51
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What size would be best for a 16" barrel?
They have a 10.5-16 or a 16-18. I don't plan on putting a longer barrel on this upper, but a shorter one.... maybe. |
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Piston conversion AR15
