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Ohio9
Advanced Member
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 Posted - 12/31/2009 : 13:11:39
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This is something that I think too many people neglect when selecting and carrying a gun. When I consider buying one, I always check to see if it can accomodate laser grips or night sights. If it can't, I probably won't get it. Cause even if I don't plan to getting them put on the gun right away, I will almost certainly want them on eventually.
Personally I think every EDC should have one or the other. They can make a world of difference in a low light shooting situation, and there is a good chance that if you ever do have to shoot, that's the situation you will be in. |
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LandonJ
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 13:33:39
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| Not all of my pistols have night sights, but all of my carry pistols do. |
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Ohio9
Advanced Member
USA
2723 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2009 : 13:37:38
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Originally posted by LandonJ
Not all of my pistols have night sights, but all of my carry pistols do.
Same here, with the exception of my backup gun. I'll get laser grips for it as soon as I can afford to do so. |
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LandonJ
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 13:59:27
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Well I guess my revolvers don't have night sights on them, but I really haven't carried a revolver in the last couple months anyway.
All of my primary carry pistols do. How about that? |
"You are only out-gunned if you miss." -Jeff Cooper
Amatuers train until they get it right. Professionals train until they get it wrong.
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Punch
Average Member
USA
530 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2009 : 14:28:03
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| Only one of my pistols has night sights, and one has a rail mounted light. My everyday carry guns have neither. I practice extensively in low light conditions. If it is so dark that I cannot see the target, neither laser or tritium will make a difference (while the rail mounted light may). If I can see the target, I can hit it with what I have. I have not seen enough difference in the use of my tritium sighted pistol to warrant the cost of converting my EDC (although I do carry the H3 sighted pistol occasionally). I have tried my friend's laser sighted pistols before and find the laser distracting. I suppose that I could re-learn to shoot with one, but I am getting to be an old dog and the tricks that I know have served me well. |
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Ohio9
Advanced Member
USA
2723 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2009 : 15:38:01
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Originally posted by Punch
Only one of my pistols has night sights, and one has a rail mounted light. My everyday carry guns have neither. I practice extensively in low light conditions. If it is so dark that I cannot see the target, neither laser or tritium will make a difference (while the rail mounted light may).
The thing to remember is that you may find yourself in conditions where it's not too dark to see the target, but it is too dark to see your sights. For example, the bad guy may be standing in a spot that has some lumination, but you may be standing in an area that is pitch black. |
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Gunaddict
Junior Member
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 16:43:48
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| Everything I carry has night sights. I usually have them installed when I buy the gun if it doesn't have the sights on it already. No substitute for night sights in the dark. I love to see those little eyes glowing in the dark on the night stand next to my bed when the lights go out. Talking about a feeling of security!!! |
"A man has got to know his limitations"......Dirty Harry
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DIAMOND
Senior Member
USA
1908 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2009 : 16:53:30
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| Nope...my EDC doesn't have either of these. Sheesh, one more thing for me to buy. I really appreciate you people helping me spend MY money. |
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Renigeid
Advanced Member
USA
3044 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2009 : 17:34:39
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Crimson Trace on three of my carry weapons
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nolt
Senior Member
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 18:03:20
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AzAKguy
Senior Member
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 18:46:56
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| Some of my guns have night sights and others dont. At one time I felt I had to have them. Not so sure anymore. |
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Ohio9
Advanced Member
USA
2723 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2009 : 19:25:55
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Originally posted by DIAMOND
Nope...my EDC doesn't have either of these. Sheesh, one more thing for me to buy. I really appreciate you people helping me spend MY money.
Yeah it's why I don't have a big gun collection. I spend most of my gun budget improving the guns I have.
But you'll thank us if you ever find yourself in a shooting situation under low light conditions.
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Originally posted by Punch
I have tried my friend's laser sighted pistols before and find the laser distracting. I suppose that I could re-learn to shoot with one, but I am getting to be an old dog and the tricks that I know have served me well.
That's understandable, but if you are in a situation where you can't see your sights, I think you will appreciate being able to see the dot on the target.
A laser sight also has intimidation value. When the bad guy sees the laser trained on him and the dot dancing around on his chest, it may be enough to get him to reconsider his actions before any shots need to be fired. |
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Scott m
New Member
USA
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 19:34:47
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| Night sights on my edc. I had laser grips on my S&W Airlight but took them off. The grip was too big to conceal well in my pocket. I would like to have the smaller "boot grip" version for that J-frame. |
Like arrows in the hand of a warrior, So are the children of ones youth. Happy is the man who has his quiver full of them; They shall not be ashamed, but shal speak with thier enimies at the gate. Psalms 127:4-5 |
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Ohio9
Advanced Member
USA
2723 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2009 : 19:44:45
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Originally posted by Scott m
Night sights on my edc. I had laser grips on my S&W Airlight but took them off. The grip was too big to conceal well in my pocket. I would like to have the smaller "boot grip" version for that J-frame.
Yeah, Laser grips makes some guns more uncomfortable to carry and hold. I find they go best on guns with detachable grip panels or backstraps, such as Beretta 92's, Smith and Wesson M&P's, and most 1911's. |
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qd mcgraw
Average Member
USA
546 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2009 : 19:49:10
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...in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend. Those with loaded guns and those who dig.
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 20:39:01
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| all of my carry weapons have night sights; i wont carry a weapon without it. lets face it, most violent crime occurs in low light conditions. why any defensive weapon would even come with standard sights is beyond my ability to comprehend. my latest acquisition (the 4" 1911 shown in the picture in the upper right hand corner of your screen if using IE) comes with the crimson trace laser grips. i like having the laser but will not allow myself to grow dependant on it. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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AzAKguy
Senior Member
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 21:19:33
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| I think night sights are GREAT for laying in wait for someone in the dark and sniping them. But that is not defensive shooting |
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ksigtuck
Senior Member
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 21:20:30
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I have been wanting night sights for my carry guns for years but have yet to get any. I don't know what I keep waiting on but they will all be getting a set this year.
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"The gun has been called the great equalizer, meaning that a small person with a gun is equal to a large person, but it is a great equalizer in another way, too. It insures that the people are the equal of their government whenever that government forgets that it is servant and not master of the governed." - 40th President of the United States Ronald Reagan 1911-2004 |
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kann
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 12/31/2009 : 21:44:13
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| 1911 has Tritium night sights, the 642 .38 has Crimson Trace grips, and the M&P 45c currently has neither, but I have plans to install both as soon as I can. I can put night sights on it right now, but AFAIK laser grips haven't been made for the 45c yet. I will be getting them as soon as they are released. |
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Punch
Average Member
USA
530 Posts |
Posted - 01/01/2010 : 00:26:27
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Originally posted by Ohio9
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Originally posted by DIAMOND
Nope...my EDC doesn't have either of these. Sheesh, one more thing for me to buy. I really appreciate you people helping me spend MY money.
Yeah it's why I don't have a big gun collection. I spend most of my gun budget improving the guns I have.
But you'll thank us if you ever find yourself in a shooting situation under low light conditions.
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Originally posted by Punch
I have tried my friend's laser sighted pistols before and find the laser distracting. I suppose that I could re-learn to shoot with one, but I am getting to be an old dog and the tricks that I know have served me well.
That's understandable, but if you are in a situation where you can't see your sights, I think you will appreciate being able to see the dot on the target.
A laser sight also has intimidation value. When the bad guy sees the laser trained on him and the dot dancing around on his chest, it may be enough to get him to reconsider his actions before any shots need to be fired.
As I said, I PRACTICE in low light conditions where I cannot see the sights, and sometimes only faintly see the target. I have not found either laser or nigh sights particularly useful. Also, most civilian gunfights occur from contact out to seven feet (and yes, in low light). I saw a program last night were even during the Russian anti-terrorist actions in Belsen and Moscow, targets were mostly engaged within six feet EVEN USING RIFLES. I also do not buy the intimidation value of the laser for civilian use. In my State, I am only allowed to point a weapon at someone if my life is in danger, and at that point I am SHOOTING and not intimidating.
I see no reason why someone who wants them should not put them on. But for me, it is an added expense that could be better used in ammunition for practice and training. Of the four instructors that I have trained with, only one used a laser, and he was military Spec. Ops and also works with the local police force's SWAT team when not deployed. Given the work that he does, I can see the use for the laser and would likely mount one on my weapon. But for the close quarters that I am likely to be involved, I don't see the need.
A weapon mounted light is another issue. There are cases in home defense where being able to positively identify the target is more than useful; in fact critical. I also practice using a flashlight while shooting, and have a light mounted on my CZ P-01 which is often on my night stand. I have NO problem seeing either the target or my sights when things are illuminated with a 80 - 120 lumen Surefire. |
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BikerRN
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 00:53:52
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Use the search feature and you will see how I feel about night sights and lasers.
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scrike83
Puts the cool in Coolhand
USA
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 01:06:04
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| I fully intend to have night sights on all of my pistols, currently only 2 out of 5 have them, those are the only ones I will carry... |
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Ohio9
Advanced Member
USA
2723 Posts |
Posted - 01/01/2010 : 03:38:20
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Originally posted by Punch
I also do not buy the intimidation value of the laser for civilian use. In my State, I am only allowed to point a weapon at someone if my life is in danger, and at that point I am SHOOTING and not intimidating.
But the laser may deflate the deadly situation before you even have to shoot, which is always a good thing. Not that I would expect that to happen, but it's nice to have the possibility.
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Originally posted by Nathan
i like having the laser but will not allow myself to grow dependant on it.
I feel the same way about it. I still practice with sights and point shooting. But having the laser is still a great feature, particularly for situations where you can't get a sight picture, such as having to shoot out a car window or under a vehicle.
I read as many stories of gunfights as I can find, and I have yet to find a gunfight survivor who said "boy I really wish my gun didn't have a laser sight. That made the situation way worse for me." |
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Jeffg
New Member
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 05:07:39
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| My only carry gun a Glock 22 has night sights. These were added by the former owner. I haven't trained to use them yet. I wouldn't have added them if they were not already on, only because of cost right now. I do like having them, and someday when I can afford it, I want to add Crimson Trace laser sights on it as well. |
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DIAMOND
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 05:54:02
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I can understand night sights, but not laser sites that scream out, "Here I am...shoot me."
I also never understood holding a flashlight similarly to this pose. That would make a perfect target for the bad guy.
But this seems to make more sense. Although, I've found those can openers hard to use.
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AzAKguy
Senior Member
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 06:22:31
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DIAMOND
I love the "overboard m4" picture - will be emailing that out to my shooting buddies today - thanks for the laugh
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