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Robbrouse
Junior Member
USA
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 Posted - 04/22/2010 : 08:20:28
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My uncle was talking with me the other night about getting a rifle, for the SHTF scenario.
Now the issue is her has a screwed up shoulder so kick will be a major concern.
3030, 30.06 shot gun all kick to much. He can handle a .243 Win for a short amount of time.
I do not have a AK or a .223 so I have no idea how much kick they have. I was wondering what you guys thought would be a good choice for him.
He has a .22, better than nothing, but wants to get something with more power.
Anyhow just looking for some options for him. |
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Dsully
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 08:26:13
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| .223 doesn't kick too much but what about having him use more padding on his shoulder. May help a bit |
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Mark W.
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 08:29:45
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The .223 doesn't have a lot of recoil and the 7.62x39 in an AK is reasonable and the same round is even less in an SKS (heavier rifle).
HE might want to look at a .308 if he can stand the recoil of a .243...basically the same brass necked to different sizes. I think the .243 kicks harded than a .308 all other things being equal because its necked down and the gasses will escape slower.
Another option he might want to look at is a shotgun. You can find the Saiga shotgun in 12 oor 20 gauge for about $500. Its based on the AK design and recoil isn't bad at all.
Saiga also makes a rifle like an AK in .308, .223 and 7.62x39 all made in Russia.
I have several Saigas and they all work well.
Good luck finding him something he can handle. |
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KeysGuy
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 08:32:57
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My .223 experience is with the M-16 MANY years ago while being paid to fire same.  I have not been a rifle guy since, but the recoil of the M-16 was nothing. I'm sure a bolt action .223 would have more recoil, but I doubt if it would big deal either. I'm sure if you ask around you can find someone with a .223 that would let your uncle give it a try in exchange for some ammunition.  |
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kann
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 08:34:09
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I don't have anything to add to the long gun cause, but my right rotator cuff is  ed. I mean, every movement I make hurts tremendously. It has been nagging for years and years. I used to be into bodybuilding and powerlifting, not to mention a very physical job in the military, and having wrestled all through my school years. It was bound to happen sooner or later, I guess. About four or five months ago it got to the point where I couldn't go to the gym anymore because it hurt so bad, so I rested it. And rested. And rested... and it's just been getting worse.
I haven't been shooting in a while, either, because I lift the arm like that and take the recoil repetitively. Can't get to see the doc until 25 May. Yay, healthcare reform! I can't even imagine your uncle trying to shoot something with a recoil if he feels anything like I do. How about something like a ransom rest or something that will absorb some of the shock? |
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Presspass
Armed & Dangerous
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 12:08:31
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Y'all might rag on me, but this is an area for out of the box thinking, so here goes. I have a hard time shooting some long guns because of my size. I literally can't put it on my shoulder and still reach the trigger while getting a good sight picture. Yes, I hear you laughing. When we first got married and were gun poor, the only decent HD weapon we had was an old Winchester Gary's grandpa had given him. Gary taught me to balance it against my hip or my tummy. I still couldnt get a sight picture, but the recoil wouldnt knock my on my butt while giving me a black eye because I couldn't keep a good grip on the dang thing.
He might want to play around with something like that. He would have to practice to see how much he would need to compensate to get on target; but it might work for him. |
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Smurf
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 12:14:50
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My SKS doesn't kick very much. I can shoot it with one hand or my Rem 35 has no kick. It is Model 8. They have a inner barrel that recoils and takes up any kick. I once killed deer with it with one hand while hanging on the side of a tree.
They are pretty reasonable at gun shows and available in several cailbers. |
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BikerRN
Average Member
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 12:49:14
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Recoil, or more correctly, "felt recoil" is subjective and felt differently by each person.
The AR/M4 platform has been found by the majority of people to have minimal recoil. Even my wife, who is very recoil sensitive, can tolerate shooting the M4. She will not use a shotgun, or larger caliber rifle.
I myself have just recently jumped on the AR/M4 bandwagon, having preferred other platforms through the years. I still keep a 12 Guage at home, but now I also keep an AR next to the "shottie". They each have their place.
Another option is a pistol caliber carbine. While I have one, I much prefer a traditional rifle caliber when going to a longarm. The recoil of the 5.56/.223 is pretty light. I suggest you have him try one at a local Range. Take a box of new ammo and just go up and explain to somebody shooting an AR that he has shoulder problems and is considering one for home defense, but has never fired one. Offer them the box of ammo for their time and use of the gun to fire ten rounds or so under their supervision.
I'll bet you get to keep the ammo, and he gets to fire more than ten rounds.
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Blank2425
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 14:52:58
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If one shoulder is messed up, seriously work on shooting with the good one. It is very uncomfortable for a while, but it might give him more range time.
Look for a semi auto as they seem to have less recoil. The .223, saigas, ak's, m4's, all seem to be good on recoil.
Even though they are light on recoil, also look at but pads and/or shoulder pads, or recoil reducing stocks.
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Robbrouse
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 04/23/2010 : 08:50:17
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Lots of good advice here. I think I might start with a recoil pad and see if that helps. I think that a 12 gage would be the best for him if he can Handel the recoil.
If that doesn't work may try what Presspass recommending and see if he can hold it else where on his body and get good with it.
I never really thought about the .40 or 9mm carbines. I have buddy that has a Hipoint 995 so that would be an easy test gun.
The other hand would be fine on a bolt action but could be tricky on an auto loader, but is an option.
I wanted to go to the range with him today or tomorrow, but rain today and work tomorrow. Guess it'll have to wait. |
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