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Ohio9
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  14:20:14  Show Profile  Send Ohio9 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
I've decided my next CCW gun is going to be a single stack 9mm subcompact. Now I'm trying to figure out what the best one would be.

So far it's a toss up between a Walther PPS and Kahr PM9. I'd also like to try a Smith and Wesson Chief's special, but I can't find one with a double sided safety (I'm left handed). Also I've considered a Springfield EMP, but so far the price is just too high.

So are there any other types I should check out? And among the ones I've considered, which one is best?

Jonny B
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  14:41:15  Show Profile  Visit Jonny B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Between the Kahr and Walther whatever fits your hand best. Both are quality guns.

I kinda like the feel of the PPS myself.

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YeeeahSteve
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  16:04:04  Show Profile  Send YeeeahSteve an AOL message  Reply with Quote
PPS all the way
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"Bogie"
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  16:30:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Consider the KelTec PF-9?
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YooperTrav
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  16:34:55  Show Profile  Visit YooperTrav's Homepage  Send YooperTrav a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
i love walther quality but the pps doesnt work in my hand.

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graceandtruth
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  17:31:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It depends on how you define "best". You certainly can't go wrong with the kahr or the pps. The kel-tec pf9 is going to put you in a much lower price bracket, but like everything else in this life, you will compromise on fit, finish, and overall reliability. If money is not an issue, I would probably go with the kahr pm9. But, the bottom line is that you won't go wrong with any of them listed above, and so whatever feels most comfortable in your hand should be your choice.

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Ohio9
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  17:43:58  Show Profile  Send Ohio9 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by "Bogie"

Consider the KelTec PF-9?



I've tried the Kel-Tec before. I don't like the trigger on it.
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jeffwrv23
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  18:35:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
+1 on the PPS, it works well for me. had a couple issues in the beginning took two trips to S&W but all is fish and grits now...

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bwatkins1223
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  19:07:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From my experiance with guns I have owned, I can suggest with confidence the PF9 and the Sig 239. Since you didn't really care for the PF9 you might look at the Sig 239, single stack 9mm that fits the hand amazingly. I sold mine but probably should have held on to it. If you don't like the DA/SA which I don't you may look at the PPS or PM9. I have no experience with either, other than holding them. From what others have said about them on this forum, both get high marks.

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hkguy
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  19:47:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
if a PPS is a sub compact to you, you should take a look at a Kahr cw9 for the price it is one of the best single stack 9/40/45 on the market. you also should consider a sig P6 and a HK P7 as well as both are very quality single stack 9mm's. i currently have a Kahr K9 and P9 and they are both great shooters. follow up shots are very easy and recoil is also very manageable using 147gr ranger SXT's. both eat anything i run through them and ive had no problems with either.




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pinkhamr
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  20:14:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
CZ 2075 ????? Just a thought ...











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Nathan
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  22:56:55  Show Profile  Visit Nathan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
P7.

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LandonJ
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  23:23:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nathan

P7.



After shooting one at a local idpa match last week, I am now saving up for one. I could not believe the trigger!


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Nathan
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Posted - 08/29/2010 :  23:28:34  Show Profile  Visit Nathan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
indeed. if you gotta carry a single stack 9mm, carry a P7.

or as one of the great ones stated: "...if one is going to carry an underpowered pistol he should carry the neatest and handiest one available, and that is the Heckler & Koch P7."- Col. Jeff Cooper

...now keep in mind, colonel cooper was hardcore. if it wasnt .45 or 10mm, it wasnt to colonel cooper.

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Ohio9
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Posted - 08/30/2010 :  04:07:35  Show Profile  Send Ohio9 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nathan

indeed. if you gotta carry a single stack 9mm, carry a P7.

or as one of the great ones stated: "...if one is going to carry an underpowered pistol he should carry the neatest and handiest one available, and that is the Heckler & Koch P7."- Col. Jeff Cooper

...now keep in mind, colonel cooper was hardcore. if it wasnt .45 or 10mm, it wasnt to colonel cooper.



Cooper's endorsement is significant, but I'm not sure about the P7. It's kind of big for "subcompact" gun, and very heavy compared modern polymer framed pistols. I'm looking for a light, thin alternative to my Xd, and I'm not sure that would be the pick.
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scrike83
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USA
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Posted - 08/30/2010 :  05:26:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm pretty fond of the PM9 myself, but I will have a P7 eventually. Another nice one often overlooked is the S&W 3913, had one some time ago and made the mistake of selling it. With any luck I will have another one here shortly. You can find them from time to time on GunBroker and the likes, but they don't make them anymore. Don't bid on the one on GunBroker right now, or I'll kill you...

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BobMcT
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Posted - 08/30/2010 :  12:02:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't own a Kahr PM9 but I do own and love the Walther PPS. It does not have a safety but has a safety trigger like a Glock. The PPS also has advantages for a left handed shooter as the mag release is ambidextrous. It's a little different than other pistols, but very easy to adjust to. This 9mm has about the least recoil of any of the small autos and absolutely one the most accurate. Combine all that with the manufacturing quality of Walther and servicing by S&W and it's hard to beat. Also, being so thin, it makes a great IWB carry gun.
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zonker1986
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Posted - 08/30/2010 :  14:02:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by scrike83

I'm pretty fond of the PM9 myself, but I will have a P7 eventually. Another nice one often overlooked is the S&W 3913, had one some time ago and made the mistake of selling it. With any luck I will have another one here shortly. You can find them from time to time on GunBroker and the likes, but they don't make them anymore. Don't bid on the one on GunBroker right now, or I'll kill you...



I had a SW 3913 on layaway as a close out at $225 a few years ago. When I finally paid the gun off, the store apparently had mistakenly sold mine instead of logging it in as a layaway. They had no more in stock. I'm more pissed now than I was then. One of those that got away....damn.

And I want to add that Smith & Wesson totally had their heads up their behinds when they discontinued these little gems. Today they would sell like hot cakes.
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KeysGuy
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Posted - 08/30/2010 :  14:26:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You know the drill, if it doesn't fit you must.....wait a minute, that's from a different thread. You have a list of quality guns, so go fondle them all and see which likes you the best. My only experience with the PPS was a gunshop fondling session. It fit me, it fit me very well....drool.

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DIAMOND
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Posted - 08/30/2010 :  14:34:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
PM9 in stainless. Small gun, good sights, durable finish and light weight.


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Nathan
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Posted - 08/30/2010 :  14:53:10  Show Profile  Visit Nathan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ohio9

I'm looking for a light, thin alternative to my Xd
...compared to an XD, THIS is "light and thin".

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KeysGuy
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Posted - 08/30/2010 :  15:03:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nathan

quote:
Originally posted by Ohio9

I'm looking for a light, thin alternative to my Xd
...compared to an XD, THIS is "light and thin".



Now that's just plain mean.

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Ohio9
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Posted - 08/30/2010 :  20:50:22  Show Profile  Send Ohio9 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KeysGuy

quote:
Originally posted by Nathan

quote:
Originally posted by Ohio9

I'm looking for a light, thin alternative to my Xd
...compared to an XD, THIS is "light and thin".



Now that's just plain mean.



I don't think so. As someone who carries an XD as an EDC, I can assure you that's an accurate statement. The fact that I'm willing to carry the equivalent of a cinder block in my pants is a testiment to how outstanding the gun is.

Anyway, my point is that I'm looking for something that is the exact opposite of the XD (In terms of size and bulk, not quality), and in that regard the P7 does not qualify.
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LKline
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Posted - 08/30/2010 :  21:04:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nathan

quote:
Originally posted by Ohio9

I'm looking for a light, thin alternative to my Xd
...compared to an XD, THIS is "light and thin".



HAHAHAH!
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1813Anschutz
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Posted - 08/31/2010 :  15:17:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My solution to this is a S&W 3913/CS9. The 3913 is with me more often than the CS9 simply due to its fit in my hand. You would be hard pressed to find a better CCW gun at any price. And it has a lifetime warranty from S&W! How do you improve on that?
Randy
PS. I also enjoy a Star Firestar/Astra A70/75 in 9mm/40 for the same reasons. It fits, shoots well, is reliable and conceals VERY well. Might work for you also.

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Ohio9
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Posted - 08/31/2010 :  17:48:42  Show Profile  Send Ohio9 an AOL message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 1813Anschutz

My solution to this is a S&W 3913/CS9. The 3913 is with me more often than the CS9 simply due to its fit in my hand. You would be hard pressed to find a better CCW gun at any price. And it has a lifetime warranty from S&W! How do you improve on that?
Randy



I've been looking for the Chief's special for months now, periodically checking gunbroker.com every few weeks. But to this day I have not yet found a model with a double-sided safety. It's really infuriating. At this point I'd probably be willing to even go for the .45 caliber version if I saw one with an ambi safety. Sadly it seems those versions are the rarest of the rare.
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