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JBARRETT
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 Posted - 03/03/2012 : 15:34:03
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I just got back from whittakers, a larger shop in KY, I was asking the employees what they think would be a good double stack mag totin metal framed gun. They pulled out a CZ I dont remember the brand.
This gun fit my hang like a freaking glove! I have never held a pistol that I felt i could comfortably shoot every day a hundred plus rounds that was not a competition style .22.
Any one have any information on how these guys shoot? Recoil? General reliability?
If I get a gun this comfortable I want to be able to rely on its ability to range shoot consistantly.
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1813Anschutz
Advanced Member
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Posted - 03/03/2012 : 16:02:54
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I have 5-6 of them and they are fabulous in all regards!! One of them has over 35,000 rounds of 9mm downrange without a hiccup ever. You will NOT regret getting one. All of mine are CZ-75B's in 9mm and .40 S&W.
The late Col. Jeff Cooper once said that other than the caliber (9mm) the CZ 75 was quite possibly the world's finest handgun. Even in 9mm I have to agree with him as the ergonomics are incredible.
Which model were they showing you? Most likely the CZ75B. There are a number of clones around that are just as good like Tanfoglio, EAA Witness, Jericho, Springfield Armory etc.
Anything else you would like to know?
Randy |
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JBARRETT
Average Member
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Posted - 03/03/2012 : 16:26:21
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Umm im not sure, I mentioned to him that I wanted a medium size pistol with double stack and wanted a quick slide removal. (I hate popping pins, always think im going to damage the surrounding metal) He pulled it out, and i was kinda wary cuz it reminded me of my Navy 92b 9m
(which i hated... will never own a beretta). Then i put it in my hand. OMG! Amazing!
He also said allot of shooters like it and were using it for competitions(i think in the 80's and 90's). |
USN Veteran "Hooya"
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."
Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."~ Thomas Paine
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1813Anschutz
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2012 : 18:44:18
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Still in heavy useage with the IDPA/USPSA crowd especially in the USPSA Limited class or Production.
Accuracy is top notch and magazines/holsters etc are readily available. Again, you will NOT regret purchasing one if you do. They also have a reputation for digesting anything you can feed them including a very steady diet of plus or NATO spec 9mm due to it's all steel construction.
I have used the one that has 35k through it as a loaner gun for students in classes and they ALL comment on how well it fits their hand regardless of gender, size of hand, or skill level. And they all shoot VERY well with it on target. I did put a set of Hogue Monogrips on that one however.
Hard to improve on THAT!
Randy |
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JBARRETT
Average Member
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Posted - 03/03/2012 : 19:23:38
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Mk, so since this is looking to be my first buy, any suggestions on holsters? I want a IWB and I want a OWB, or one that will do both practicaly. And would also like a comfortable one. Ha Ha!
But otherwise, are there any special "tricks" i would need to know about maintaining one? |
USN Veteran "Hooya"
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."
Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."~ Thomas Paine
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nmuskier01
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2012 : 19:45:43
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CZ75 compact is the all steel frame with a manual safety. You can carry cocked and locked, or (I) carry hammer down, safety off, on DA.
The PCR is the alloy frame compact with a manual safety.
P01 is alloy frame with a decocker.
P 06 is the .40 version. These are all compact frames. 3.8 inch barrels, 14 round capacity.
The full size frames have lots of choices as well. CZ's are incredibly accurate for production pistols. They are easy to work on, and have a large following of amateur gun smiths. People love to tweak springs, competition hammers, and triggers. CZ makes incredible rifles as well. If that wasn't enough, they house Dan Wesson.
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/by-category/handguns/
http://czforumsite.info/ |
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JBARRETT
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2012 : 19:49:14
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It was the CZ75 then, it had the C&L or DA option. I just forgot. Thanks for that info. Woulda been a biatch to buy one online or somthing and get the wrong one. :P LOL
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USN Veteran "Hooya"
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."
Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."~ Thomas Paine
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1813Anschutz
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 06:20:57
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The Cocked and Locked feature as well as being a DA/SA makes the CZ 75B so attractive to many. The care for a handgun you learned about in the Navy applies to a CZ as well, no special treatment is required. Clean it, lube it, shoot it, repeat until you are out of ammo, get more ammo and repeat again!
Holsters of both IWB and OWB are readily available. My OWB is a DeSantis and my IWB is a Kramer #3.
I might also mention that magazines for an EAA Witness are the same and usually far less money than a factory CZ mag. I buy all of the Mec-Gar magazines that show up as well as Witness magazines. The only kydex holster for a CZ I have is a Sidearmor that I found in a pawn shop for #5.00
None of mine are compact models, I would like to add one to the herd soon.
Randy
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Waffenmeister
Advanced Member
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 07:17:10
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| Yep, that's a pretty typical reaction to the CZ-75B. A very nice pistol... I have one and like it very much, although I don't use it for CCW. Very reliable and ergonomically friendly. My advice would be to get the model with the decocker if you're going to use it for carry. Mine just has the regular safety, as I only use it as a range gun. |
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Gotthegoods
Starting Member
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 08:33:13
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I EDC a 75B Omega 90% of the time and have for 3 years.
Excellent ergos and flawless with thousands of rounds of different types and manufacture.
Going to get another one, probably an 85, since it has ambi-controls.
Also looking at a C&RR 52 and 82/83 |
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1813Anschutz
Advanced Member
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 09:21:19
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Waffenmeister,
Why the decocker for concealed carry? I usually carry mine Cocked and Locked. If I need to lower the hammer I do so just like my Single Action revolvers. The only time I have to do this is if I am using it in a USPSA match in the production or limited 10 category where the first round must be DA.
Just wondering.......
Randy |
"The more I shoot,the LUCKIER I seem to get!" |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 09:37:14
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Originally posted by 1813Anschutz
Why the decocker for concealed carry? I usually carry mine Cocked and Locked. If I need to lower the hammer I do so just like my Single Action revolvers.
ok now i'm stumped. We teach this as a huge no-no for 1911s, why would it be acceptable in a cz? |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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akiratubo
Average Member
USA
661 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2012 : 09:50:49
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| I would go with the decocker version for carry. The safety is not very easy to sweep off with your thumb. |
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Waffenmeister
Advanced Member
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 10:54:09
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Originally posted by 1813Anschutz
Waffenmeister,
Why the decocker for concealed carry? I usually carry mine Cocked and Locked. If I need to lower the hammer I do so just like my Single Action revolvers. The only time I have to do this is if I am using it in a USPSA match in the production or limited 10 category where the first round must be DA.
Just wondering.......
Randy
I don't carry SA or cocked-and-locked firearms because if I ever need to defend myself I don't want to have to remember to sweep off the safety.
I usually carry striker fired (Glock) or occasionally DA/SA or DAO, but I don't carry 1911's, CZ's etc.
That's why I recommended the decocker version for CCW. |
"Ein Sperling in der Hand ist besser als eine Taube auf dem Dach." -German proverb |
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Tigershack
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 12:55:12
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Originally posted by Nathan
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Originally posted by 1813Anschutz
Why the decocker for concealed carry? I usually carry mine Cocked and Locked. If I need to lower the hammer I do so just like my Single Action revolvers.
ok now i'm stumped. We teach this as a huge no-no for 1911s, why would it be acceptable in a cz?
Have done this, ie, lower the hammer, but I strongly advise against it. Or keep a bucket of sand nearby to which you can aim the pistol just in case.....
If I have to render a cocked and locked 1911 or other similar pistol harmless, I simply remove the mag and then rack the slide again.
I don't even like dropping the hammer on revolvers. Have had one 'owie' in the past doing this, it was inside, and yeah I felt like a complete imbecile. Cause I was...... |
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1813Anschutz
Advanced Member
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 12:58:46
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| Different gun...different design |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 13:03:27
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Originally posted by 1813Anschutz
Different gun...different design
but the same potential for hazard exists. will call you in a bit to debate it.  |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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JBARRETT
Average Member
USA
979 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2012 : 13:30:56
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| I agree I never lowerthe hammer on a loadedd pistol. Just drop mag and rack the chambered round out. |
USN Veteran "Hooya"
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."
Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."~ Thomas Paine
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1813Anschutz
Advanced Member
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2292 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2012 : 09:01:29
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See my post on lowering the hammer....hopefully it will clarify things for all.
Randy |
"The more I shoot,the LUCKIER I seem to get!" |
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gunslinger
Advanced Member
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Posted - 03/05/2012 : 11:37:40
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| Czechs make excellent machinery, including guns. The copied the Hi-Power in many aspects of the ergonomics, notwithstanding it is DA/SA. I believe the same grip to frame angle being one. While under the Soviet boot, weren't available here. Now plentiful and very successful since the fall of the Reds ~'91. That's why they bought Dan Wesson. Wanted a top end to go with their mid-level pistols. |
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Tye
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Posted - 03/05/2012 : 17:15:14
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Originally posted by Nathan
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Originally posted by 1813Anschutz
--snip--If I need to lower the hammer I do so just like my Single Action revolvers.
ok now i'm stumped. We teach this as a huge no-no for 1911s, why would it be acceptable in a cz?
. . . and here I was thinking that "lowering the hammer" was just an elegant expression for firing the gun! Why else would it need to be lowered?
BR, |
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Tye
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Posted - 03/05/2012 : 17:23:04
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. . . seriously, though. Of the couple of range sessions that I had with a CZ75 9mm, I must admit it was a great shooter! However, maybe you shouldn't put a lot weight in that since I also LOVE the Beretta 96 (and PX4sc).
BR, |
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medic68
Master of Mojo
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Posted - 03/05/2012 : 18:00:57
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Originally posted by JBARRETT
I agree I never lowerthe hammer on a loadedd pistol. Just drop mag and rack the chambered round out.
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5lima30ret@gmail.com
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 03/07/2012 : 16:20:54
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| The CZ is a quality firearm with a great reputation. If you like it and are comfortable with the ergonomics go for it! |
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JBARRETT
Average Member
USA
979 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2012 : 15:01:00
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Anyone heard anything about the CZ P01 ?? I just went to Gander Mountain, and they have one sitting in thier case with a tac light, and a spare mag. For about $475. Though its not a metal frame (which i really want). It seems like a pretty good deal for a starting CC/OC gun. Dosent have Decocker though. (i dont believe)
Im still probly going to be looking more into a CZ 75 but hey its best to look and feel them all. RIGHT?
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USN Veteran "Hooya"
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."
Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."~ Thomas Paine
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mumbo719
Junior Member
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Posted - 03/24/2012 : 01:41:08
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Originally posted by JBARRETT
Anyone heard anything about the CZ P01 ?? I just went to Gander Mountain, and they have one sitting in thier case with a tac light, and a spare mag. For about $475. Though its not a metal frame (which i really want). It seems like a pretty good deal for a starting CC/OC gun. Dosent have Decocker though. (i dont believe)
Im still probly going to be looking more into a CZ 75 but hey its best to look and feel them all. RIGHT?
Picked up the P-01 last month and I am lovin it. The P-01 has taken over my Walther P99 for CC and range use.
Out of the box it's a very accurate shooter has above average ergos with a soft recoil (relative). The trigger is heavy and gritty in DA/SA but snap caps worked it out pretty quick though.
The P-01 comes from the factory with a 20 lbs main spring, I replaced it with a 15 lbs main spring and got the DA pull around 10lbs and also removed more grittiness. Also installed Meprolight night sights and thin half checker wood grips. This weekend if I have the time I will be installing a new trigger with over travel adjustment and a hammer kit (Kit 4)from Cajun Gun Works. The trigger and hammer are just for personal preference and fun. The existing trigger & hammer are quite good out of the box with a little break in period.
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I just went to Gander Mountain, and they have one sitting in thier case with a tac light, and a spare mag. For about $475.
$475 is an excellent price, jump on it.
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Though its not a metal frame (which i really want).
The P-01 has an alloy frame, not a polymer. If you want a steel frame look at the CZ 75 Compact which only has the safety option available for cocked and locked carry.
In full size CZ's you will see 2 designations
B = Safety Only, it operates the same as a 1911's safety.
BD = Decocker Only
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Dosent have Decocker though. (i dont believe)
a decocker is standard on the P-01, there is no safety option available.
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Im still probly going to be looking more into a CZ 75 but hey its best to look and feel them all. RIGHT?
I still go to LGS and check out new things. I love getting new ideas for future purchases.
All in all if the gun fits your hand you will have an excellent firearm for years to come. I don't think you will go wrong with the 75 Compact or the P-01, the FS 75BD is BIG for me to CC though.
A good resource for all things CZ is http://www.czfirearms.us/
Hope this helps. |
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