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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
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 Posted - 04/13/2012 : 08:28:04
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the stats look pretty dang good on this one, less than 1" thick.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/MP_Shield/index.html# |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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1813Anschutz
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 08:50:52
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My 3913 is still more slender.......Are you on for Saturday morning?
Randy |
"The more I shoot,the LUCKIER I seem to get!" |
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Maxwell
Junior Member
USA
179 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 08:52:32
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| Nathan, Thinking about switching from your PPS...? |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21540 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 09:02:02
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Originally posted by Maxwell
Nathan, Thinking about switching from your PPS...?
i havent owned a PPS in many years. sorry to say, i just had too many reliability issues with it. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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emrah
Senior Member
1280 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 11:47:38
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Looks neat, but personally, I don't see the point in really small guns ALMOST big enough to pocket carry, but a little too big. I have no problem concealing say a PF-9, or Officer/Commander 1911, etc. in a proper IWB holster. But a carry gun that is ALMOST small enough to pocket carry but can't is kind of useless to me. At that point it's in "no man's land"; too large for pocket carry and too small for proper grip, so I'd rather carry something a little larger since I'll holster it anyway.
Did that make sense?
Emrah |
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bralko85
Junior Member
USA
343 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 12:08:14
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zonker1986
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 12:36:09
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Go to Smith & Wesson's website and look at the actual shooting time with the Shield. This is no PF-9.....this gun rocks.
My daughter turns 21 this year, and this will be her gun. Perfect size and a great shooter. |
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Joshua
Advanced Member
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 13:23:33
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Originally posted by emrah
Looks neat, but personally, I don't see the point in really small guns ALMOST big enough to pocket carry, but a little too big. I have no problem concealing say a PF-9, or Officer/Commander 1911, etc. in a proper IWB holster. But a carry gun that is ALMOST small enough to pocket carry but can't is kind of useless to me. At that point it's in "no man's land"; too large for pocket carry and too small for proper grip, so I'd rather carry something a little larger since I'll holster it anyway.
Did that make sense?
Emrah
I understand what you are saying, but I think a lot of people like these size guns because they are easier or more comfortable to carry IWB and less effort to keep covered if carried OWB. |
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Buck
Senior Member
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 13:43:13
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I agree Joshua.
This seems like a good gun for those that like the size and width of guns like the PPS but like the M&P reputation.
Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8xR_w_DtOQ
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RandyM
Junior Member
USA
437 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 16:27:23
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| We may have to try this one out if it ever becomes a rental nearby. Just bought a holster for our LC9, so we can't trade that in. Suppose we'll just have to consider adding it as a 4th, instead of replacing one of the 3 we have :) |
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shak
Average Member
554 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 18:09:23
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| And yet I keep waiting for Glock to build this. The more Glock makes me shoot my CM9, the more willing I'll be to switch over to all Kahrs. Kudos to S&W for figuring it out. I'm sure this one will hurt their PPS sales. |
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Tigershack
Junior Member
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 18:55:26
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Certainly got my attention fast. My first thought is "S&W should sell a lot of these.'
But then I start to compare......ie, the Shield vs my Glock 36
Shield: 6.1" x 4.6" x 0.95"; 3.1" barrel, 19oz, 7+1 9mm
Glock: 6.97" x 4.76" x 1.1"; 3.78" barrel, 20.1oz, 6+1 .45ACP
In short, I suppose I am less impressed now. Nice gun, should do well, exellent pedigree, and I would like one.... however, I already have what I consider a better SD pistol in my Glock.
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Chemist
Senior Member
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 19:00:39
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| I'm sitting here, fondling my g26, imagining how effing awesome it'd be to have the orgasmic lubed-glock feel, in a pm9 sized package. I'd pay $3,000 for an honest to goodness pocket 9 Glock the size of a pm9. Then I'd buy another. |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21540 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 19:43:25
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| when you carry IWB, any difference in thickness is a huge. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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nmuskier01
Senior Member
USA
1845 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 20:02:55
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Originally posted by shak
And yet I keep waiting for Glock to build this. The more Glock makes me shoot my CM9, the more willing I'll be to switch over to all Kahrs. Kudos to S&W for figuring it out. I'm sure this one will hurt their PPS sales.
1) they are probably reacting to Springfield's new slim pistol.
2) they definitely see how many PPS's they import. They may be surfing the Walther forums, and see how unpopular the flush fitting PPS mag is (6rd 9mm, 5rd .40). I see the SW has only 7&8 rd 9mm options.
Shield listed height is 4.6". PPS is 4.4". Nominal difference, but I wonder what is being measured? The PPS, I believe, rounds UP to get 4.4" from the base of the flush fitting mag to the top of the rear sight. (At least according to my measuring.)
Where does S&W fit an extra .40" bullet in 0.2" ?
S&W lists 6.5# trigger. PPS lists 6.1# Again, a nominal difference. My PPS trigger is (now) what you could all good. It sure didn't start that way! I think M&P's have the best out of the box striker fired triggers. I hope the shield gets the same trigger!
...wait, no. I hope this thing sucks!  . I just saved up for a revolver. |
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bralko85
Junior Member
USA
343 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 20:38:07
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Originally posted by nmuskier01
[quote]Originally posted by shak
Where does S&W fit an extra .40" bullet in 0.2" ?
The Shield isn't a true single stack. More like a 1.5 stack. The extra width lets them squeeze in another round. |
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zonker1986
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 21:21:57
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Originally posted by Nathan
when you carry IWB, any difference in thickness is a huge.
I've had this same argument over and over. I can always tell someone that has no clue about IWB carry when they say that there is no difference in carrying a double stack pistol vs a single stack pistol.
I believe a certain gentleman from Montana was laughing his ass off when I first joined this forum and stated I carried an XD 45 IWB...also carried an XD SC in an ankle holster. Yep, and have the blister scars on my ankle and hip to prove it. |
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shak
Average Member
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 06:34:52
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Originally posted by Tigershack
Certainly got my attention fast. My first thought is "S&W should sell a lot of these.'
But then I start to compare......ie, the Shield vs my Glock 36
Shield: 6.1" x 4.6" x 0.95"; 3.1" barrel, 19oz, 7+1 9mm
Glock: 6.97" x 4.76" x 1.1"; 3.78" barrel, 20.1oz, 6+1 .45ACP
In short, I suppose I am less impressed now. Nice gun, should do well, exellent pedigree, and I would like one.... however, I already have what I consider a better SD pistol in my Glock.
The weight difference is what really stands out. The shield will weight the same as a Glock 26 by the time you load it.the 36 will only weigh about an ounce or so more than the Sheild and that's a .45.
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Tigershack
Junior Member
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 07:09:39
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One of the issues with me w/r to carry pistols is they cannot get too small. There is a point at which the ergonomics and 'handle-ability' is compromised. In a self defense situation, when a whole other set of neurons is firing, you cannot afford to think about which way to point that thing. True, thickness is very important and getting near 1 inch or under makes IWB carrying more comfortable. If the height or length of the gun gets too short, it can be momentarily confusing 'in hand' that can be translated to seconds in a life or death situation.
Human anatomy IMO makes 4 o'clock carry IWB a natural, even with me having gone up an extra 15 pounds or so (and I gotta put on my jeans like a supermodel, ie, lying on the bed. ) My present carry is great for now, no issues. Before that a full size M&P40 was acceptable. Comforting, not comfortable.
I note that the original picture posted by Nathan is pretty much life size, and it compares well with my G36. Of course, you cannot see the thickness. Noting the M&P's slight edge in ergonomics (the M&P's really do feel good in your hand), I think this will be a great addition to the line. I am interested to see if Glock or some of the other makers will follow suit with single stack 9's and 40's. |
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Bronze
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 04/14/2012 : 08:38:29
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| sounds like I will be adding this as a BUG to my M&P 9MM |
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scrike83
Puts the cool in Coolhand
USA
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Posted - 04/16/2012 : 21:23:33
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| I have a S&W 3913 which I love, don't get me wrong, but I've been meaning to try out an M&P for awhile now and I'm pretty sure this is going to be the one... |
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1813Anschutz
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 09:09:43
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So hard to improve on a 3913 isn't it?
Randy |
"The more I shoot,the LUCKIER I seem to get!" |
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Oban
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 21:16:02
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Okay, great guys. All this talk about this new gun has me NEEDING to see it! And here I was narrowing down my next gun choice to the Ruger and Glock. Now I HAVE to add this S&W to my comparison. Thanks. {grin}
Guess I know what I'll be doing on my lunch hour tomorrow. |
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CCL holder
Member NRA
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zonker1986
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 21:27:17
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got to play with one tonight at my local GS. Yep, its an M&P. Same trigger, same reset, same sights......I like it. I have read reports that the trigger is improved. Bull . Same M&P trigger with an almost audible reset.
Reminds me of holding a Walther PPS. Quality fit and finish is outstanding, and it just feels like a well made firearm.
My local GS would not come down from his ridiculous (can you say price gouging) sticker price, so I handed it back to him and said "No thanks".
Gonna wait a while and let the real price of this gun surface...but it is every bit worth the MSRP of $449. With PPS priced at over $500, this gun is a bargain. |
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zonker1986
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2012 : 21:29:48
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Originally posted by 1813Anschutz
So hard to improve on a 3913 isn't it?
Randy
lets start a petition for S&W to bring the 3913 out of mothballs. The 3913 was about 15 years ahead of its time....it would sell a gazillion in todays CCW market. |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21540 Posts |
Posted - 04/17/2012 : 22:01:17
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| they have them in billings for $419. i could definately tell a difference in the trigger. base M&P trigger is very good. this trigger was fantastic. didnt like the way it felt in my hand though, just too small but i didnt try it with the extended grip and i hate having my pinky dangle. they didnt have the other mag out for me to try yet and i didnt want to wait around. perhaps ill try again later. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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