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MonkeyScribe
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 Posted - 08/22/2012 : 17:25:53
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Sadly, search is still not working...
If size is no concern, what is the consensus on the best full size double stack tactical .45acp out there? HK? |
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scrike83
Puts the cool in Coolhand
USA
3126 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2012 : 05:27:49
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| Glock 21 in my opinion, but then again I'm kinda partial to Glock... |
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5lima30ret@gmail.com
Junior Member
USA
260 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2012 : 05:49:40
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| Glock, Springfield XD, or Sig depending on what fits you best. |
Retired Police Lieutenant, Retired USAF Reserve, Glock Armorer "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Phil 4:13 |
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1813Anschutz
Advanced Member
USA
2292 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2012 : 05:54:08
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It all begins with the fit in your hand. I am NOT a Glock enthusiast due to the poor fit in MY hand. The XD and M&P are vastly superior in ergonomics for ME.
Randy |
"The more I shoot,the LUCKIER I seem to get!" |
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hkguy
Advanced Member
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2012 : 07:08:38
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| the HK45 is one fine gun, along with a Mark 23 :D |
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zonker1986
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 08/23/2012 : 09:22:41
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Originally posted by hkguy
the HK45 is one fine gun, along with a Mark 23 :D
...and you can do curls with your Mark 23 if you need a workout.....freaking gun is HUUUUUUGE.  |
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zonker1986
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 08/23/2012 : 09:25:24
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| you might give the XD 5" Tactical Model a look. I have the XD Compact Tactical (10 round grip with 13 round extension) and it is doubly cool because it actually says "TACTICAL" on the slide. Weapon preference of Mall Ninjas around the Globe. |
...7 Round Mag Limit? Silly Politicians!! |
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medic68
Master of Mojo
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Posted - 08/23/2012 : 10:00:06
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| Sig or Glock. My two fav's |
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scrike83
Puts the cool in Coolhand
USA
3126 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 06:15:58
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| Wasn't aware that Sig made a double stack .45 ACP |
Molôn Labe!!!
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
~Edmund Burke~
Support Our Troops, Until They All Come Home... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L2vpiwvPYI
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hkguy
Advanced Member
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 06:23:59
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| dont forget about the FNX-45 - 15+1 rounds of .45 |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
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Posted - 08/24/2012 : 06:44:01
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| take a strong look at the HK45. that said, for the money i dont know how it could get any "better" than the M&P .45. i know of one available for $500 + shipping, with literally only two magazines shot through it. only reason its being sold is the owner finds i too big for carry, which is the case with most all double stack .45s. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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gunslinger
Advanced Member
USA
2072 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 09:58:48
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| SIG P220 has a 10 round mag, but is an excellent pistol. The XD/M or M&P are also good choices with higher capacity. Any FN is a great pistol. And H&Ks the same. Many choices, what fits best is the deciding point, imo. Personally, I'd go with the Springer when price comes into play. It also fits my hand perfectly. |
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1813Anschutz
Advanced Member
USA
2292 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 11:30:08
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We should not overlook the CZ 97 in a dbl stack .45ACP either...same fabulous ergonomics as the CZ 75, same reliability, same legendary accuracy as well.
Randy |
"The more I shoot,the LUCKIER I seem to get!" |
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MonkeyScribe
Junior Member
417 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 21:16:58
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Thanks for the responses. For the record, by 'tactical', I didnt mean tacti-cool, but rather:
1. Concealability is not an issue. You either dont carry it or carry it openly.
2. Ergos are optimal.
3. Up to a point, heavier is better from a recoil management perspective.
4. Great big magazines of big heavy projectiles.
5. Big enough to mod with a red dot or suppressor, or both.
In essence, the perfect field gun or home defense pistol.
Glocks fail in category 2. M&Ps, CZ and Sigs fail in category 5 (12-15 vastly superior to 10). I'll have to look good and hard at the FN, XDM, and HK.
Its really too bad nobody makes a big field doublestack 10mm besides Glock, because I think that would be pure perfection, and do double duty for big critters and mean old home invaders. |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
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Posted - 08/24/2012 : 21:50:47
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| the HK45 would be my best recommendation for you, but it holds 10+1. secondary recommendation would be the HK USP in .45 coming in at 12 + 1. i own six of them, three of which i have never fired. were i to carry one that big i would still carry the HK45 instead, even with the two round deficit. the ergonomics of the hk usp are very good. the ergonomics of the hk45 are even better. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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scrike83
Puts the cool in Coolhand
USA
3126 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2012 : 03:58:45
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Originally posted by gunslinger
SIG P220 has a 10 round mag, but is an excellent pistol. The XD/M or M&P are also good choices with higher capacity. Any FN is a great pistol. And H&Ks the same. Many choices, what fits best is the deciding point, imo. Personally, I'd go with the Springer when price comes into play. It also fits my hand perfectly.
The Sig 220 I owned for several years only took 8 round single stack magazines. |
Molôn Labe!!!
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
~Edmund Burke~
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1813Anschutz
Advanced Member
USA
2292 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2012 : 04:25:39
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Sounds to me like only z Thompson sub gun will meet your expectations..............
Randy |
"The more I shoot,the LUCKIER I seem to get!" |
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hkguy
Advanced Member
USA
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MonkeyScribe
Junior Member
417 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2012 : 07:19:16
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Originally posted by 1813Anschutz
Sounds to me like only z Thompson sub gun will meet your expectations..............
Randy
LOL, if anyone made a modern reliable thompson Id be all over it. |
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MonkeyScribe
Junior Member
417 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2012 : 07:44:29
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Its always been my impression that custom guns tend to suffer reliability issues. 20 rounds of hot 10mm is only helpful on a camping trip to dissuade a black bear if it doesnt ftf after round 1 or 2.
Am I mistaken? I suppose if I am going to drop the coin on a custom weapon, I can invest the money in a decent smith to polish everything up and make it super reliable...
Yeah, I know, 10mm isn't optimal for bear dissuading, but hiking in the cascades with a 12g slug gun over my shoulder doesn't sound very appealing.
Also, something to think about, 10mm out of a 1911 is what, 8 or 9 +1? That might be preferable to a 10+1 .45...
Thanks for the idea, I'm going to add para to the list of options.
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Originally posted by hkguy
if price is not much of a concern, why not go custom? you could get a para wide body gun and re barrel it for 10mm. their .45 model holds 14+1. with extended base pads, you could probably get close to 20 rounds of 10mm.
http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=84
IRL, the FNX is was purpose built to host a suppressor, the slide is milled to take a red dot, and has tall iron sights to facilitate aiming over the supressor. HK USP tactical models/Mark 23 also fall in the same boat
http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/uspt_general.asp
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/family.asp?fid=FNF062&gid=FNG001
http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/mark23_general.asp
M&P's and XD's can get you there, but you will have to rebarrel, and put new sights on them to host/use a suppressor.
also, gen3/4 glocks do have a rail for attaching a weapon light
slap this kit on your stock g21 mag and have fun
http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/8045_KRISS+G21+Super+V+Mag+30+Extension+Kit/?return=%3ftpl%3Dsearch%26search_val%3Dg21%2Bmagazine
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hkguy
Advanced Member
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2012 : 14:07:32
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Originally posted by MonkeyScribe
Its always been my impression that custom guns tend to suffer reliability issues. 20 rounds of hot 10mm is only helpful on a camping trip to dissuade a black bear if it doesnt ftf after round 1 or 2.
Am I mistaken? I suppose if I am going to drop the coin on a custom weapon, I can invest the money in a decent smith to polish everything up and make it super reliable...
Yeah, I know, 10mm isn't optimal for bear dissuading, but hiking in the cascades with a 12g slug gun over my shoulder doesn't sound very appealing.
in my experience, custom guns are reliable. they become unreliable when you have the wrong springs, loads that are too long/short, or try and do things that are beyond your skill level. my custom 9mm 1911 is very reliable, DG's custom 10mm CCO has been glock like as he reports. it is really a matter of who is doing the work on a specific gun. Talk with a reputable smith and see if its possible. I would imagine that if you took a 40 cal, had a new barrel fitted, swapped the recoil spring for a much stronger one, in theory you would have a high capacity 10mm.
what i am not too sure about is how well a suppressor will work with full house 10mm loads capable of stopping bears. |
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MonkeyScribe
Junior Member
417 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2012 : 17:21:02
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what i am not too sure about is how well a suppressor will work with full house 10mm loads capable of stopping bears.
My thoughts were that you'd really only need a supressor when called to use it indoors and if you use the right can, you can leave it attached in the house. In that situation full on bear load would be unnecessary.
Plus carrying around a sidearm with a can on it outside might give some folks the wrong idea....
After looking this over, it might be cheaper to just buy two guns. A hk45 or fnx plus a Dan wesson 10mm is going to run about the same as a nifty 10mm custom. |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21551 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2012 : 19:04:37
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a 10mm loaded to potential can kill just about anything walking, but id really hate to know that the only thing standing between me and a grizzly bear was 10mm...even the hottest 10mm. while capable of killing a grizly bear, it is not capable of stopping a grizzly bear in a charge. this is a tough one. i too carry 10mm when im in brown bear country, but its a last resort weapon only and serves as backup to a 3" magnum 12 gauge slug. i would never carry any pistol short of .454 casull as my primary defense against brown bears.
take another hard look at the hk45. be aware that hk is the only manufacturer that will give their approval for shooting .45 super. .45 super is essentially .45 acp with a thicker case and a much higher pressure. .45 super gets you into the .44 magnum range ballistically. hk only recommends replacing springs after every 3000 rounds of .45 super. i verified this myself by calling hk to find out if my USPs would stand up to .45 super. hk over-builds their guns making them extremely rugged. the only guns i own that ill shoot +P+ and other over-pressurized rounds in are my hks. reconsider bothering with buying two guns after getting more familiar with the .45 super. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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hkguy
Advanced Member
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2012 : 19:39:56
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Originally posted by MonkeyScribe
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what i am not too sure about is how well a suppressor will work with full house 10mm loads capable of stopping bears.
My thoughts were that you'd really only need a supressor when called to use it indoors and if you use the right can, you can leave it attached in the house. In that situation full on bear load would be unnecessary.
Plus carrying around a sidearm with a can on it outside might give some folks the wrong idea....
After looking this over, it might be cheaper to just buy two guns. A hk45 or fnx plus a Dan wesson 10mm is going to run about the same as a nifty 10mm custom.
no more so than open carrying to begin with. In regards to the can, some cans have a pretty bad first round pop, something to be aware of. |
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MonkeyScribe
Junior Member
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Posted - 08/25/2012 : 21:22:06
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Great. I thought I was only concerned about black bear, but apparently they have confirmed Grizzlies are back in the Cascades south of the border.
Ill take a look at the .45 super ballistics. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Nathan
a 10mm loaded to potential can kill just about anything walking, but id really hate to know that the only thing standing between me and a grizzly bear was 10mm...even the hottest 10mm. while capable of killing a grizly bear, it is not capable of stopping a grizzly bear in a charge. this is a tough one. i too carry 10mm when im in brown bear country, but its a last resort weapon only and serves as backup to a 3" magnum 12 gauge slug. i would never carry any pistol short of .454 casull as my primary defense against brown bears.
take another hard look at the hk45. be aware that hk is the only manufacturer that will give their approval for shooting .45 super. .45 super is essentially .45 acp with a thicker case and a much higher pressure. .45 super gets you into the .44 magnum range ballistically. hk only recommends replacing springs after every 3000 rounds of .45 super. i verified this myself by calling hk to find out if my USPs would stand up to .45 super. hk over-builds their guns making them extremely rugged. the only guns i own that ill shoot +P+ and other over-pressurized rounds in are my hks. reconsider bothering with buying two guns after getting more familiar with the .45 super.
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deadguy
I see dead people
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Posted - 08/26/2012 : 03:36:36
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You have options for 10mm in a doublestack. They ain't cheap, but you do have options.
14+1 rounds
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-titan/
With larger mag, 17+1
http://www.stiguns.com/the-sti-perfect-10/
I'm a 1911 man and yes, as HKGuy said, mine has been fantastic. The 2012 Dan Wesson RZ10 seems to be a great choice based on reports. The Colt Delta Elite as well. Nathan mentioned "loaded to potential" 10mm rounds, and that is exactly what Willis was talkin about. There are a few companies putting out 10mm loads now that are smokin hot...and affordable.
You have options. If money is a factor, get the Glock. I personally wouldn't spend that much on a pistol (DW Titan and STI) unless there was one guy building it from the ground up to my specs. |
People are getting fatter everyday. 10mm isn't just for bears anymore. |
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Best full size double stack production .45
