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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
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 Posted - 03/23/2007 : 09:09:45
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despite being a 1911 man at heart, i also embrace combat tupperware and recognize its many advantages in several different platforms. i own and thoroughly enjoy many glocks and while glock has the lions share of the market there are many exciting offerings from the competition.....such as the above pictured .40 caliber M&P from S&W that i purchased today for $469.99. im not a fan of the .40 S&W (i would prefer .357 Sig) but ive wanted one of these since their release and i just couldnt wait anymore. i bought the .40 figuring i could swap in a 357 barrel later. for a long time ive wanted a true glock action with a 1911 grip angle and thanks to S&W i have just that.
the m&p comes in a neat package with two magazines, two alternate grip sizes (medium on the weapon with large and small options) and a decent carrying case with manuals.
i really like the concept of melonite (tenifer) treated stainless steel.
shown beside a springfield loaded champion, the size really is comparable.
one thing i couldnt help but notice is that on the magazine they gave their own vanity round a vanity label, but leave the "Sig" off the ".357 Sig" on the magazine. this seemed almost childish to me.
what i dont like:
there really isnt much to complain about. i dont like the interlock and i dont like the magazine disconnect, but i dont like either of those on any of my other weapons either.
the take-down proceedure also takes longer than i would like, but its not "bad" by any means.
the trigger reset could be more crisp, but im going to give it more range time to see what wears in.
finding a decent holster to use while waiting on a custom seems impossible, but thats no fault of the weapon so maybe its not worth mentioning. i was also trying to standardize my ammunition cache.....but now ill have to start stocking .40 as well (again, not the fault of the weapon so maybe its not worth mentioning either).
what i like:
simply put this is a great weapon. my grouping was "poor" by my (1911) standards, but i attribute this more to the tendencies of the .40 than i do to the weapon. i fully believe that in 9mm or 357 that my grouping would have been tighter.
the modular panels are nice to have, and make the weapon comfortable for just about anyone. although the reversible magazine catch is insignificant to me, its a very good design.
range time was excellent. i ran 100 rounds of corbon 165 grain jhp's, 200 rounds of blazer brass 180 grain ball, and 200 rounds of 180 grain WWB without a single failure of any kind despite abnormal angles and even purposeful limp-wristing. you cannot argue with proper function, and this weapon functioned exceptionally well. the extractor did a great job of sending the brass far away from my face which is a really big thing with me (nothing like finding yourself in a firefight only to be nailed in the eye by your own flying brass!).
to my surprise the trigger really isnt bad, and this is coming from a 1911 man. was the break as crisp as a 1911? of course not....but it was still pretty dang decent. at first i had a bit of trouble finding the reset point, but after 50 rounds or so it got much easier.
my only regret about buying this weapon is that an hour after purchasing it i found out that S&W will also be releasing it in .45 acp. had i known this i would have waited, but this just gives me an excuse to buy another one when the .45 is released. 
S&W has a winner on its hands. ill keep you posted on my progress as i learn this beautiful weapon. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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Reapo
New Member
USA
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Posted - 03/23/2007 : 11:00:18
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| Congrats....that is a fine looking weapon. That seems like a pretty good price too!!! |
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Craig
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 03/23/2007 : 11:48:14
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| COOL! Is this one an import or home grown? I don't understand the 'reversible magazine catch', what does it do? |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2007 : 11:49:48
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| this is a home-grown S&W, built here. by reversible magazine catch i mean you can remove it and install it on the other side of the weapon for lefties. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2007 : 11:51:44
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Originally posted by Reapo
That seems like a pretty good price too!!!
it really is. most places sell it for $499 which is still one heck of a price for a stainless, reliable automatic from a major manufacturer. theyre pricing themselves in order to compete with glock. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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Craig
Advanced Member
USA
2146 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2007 : 20:38:57
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| When the .45 ACP is available for rent I'll have to go try it out. All the specs look real good and the price is right also. |
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packina40
Junior Member
USA
104 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2007 : 22:27:18
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| I'd sure have to consider one in .45ACP. I carry a Sigma .40 which was pretty much derided by the gun world, but I happen to like it. It, as they say, always goes bang and always hits where I point it. That being said, the M&P is a fine piece of work. I'd want to look into a trigger job, and having the slide bead-blasted. Why put a coating on stainless steel that's ultimately going to wear off anyway? |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2007 : 22:41:29
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Originally posted by packina40
Why put a coating on stainless steel that's ultimately going to wear off anyway?
being melonite (another name for the very tenifer that comes on glocks), it will not come off. the reason in making it black is that its designed primarily as a military and police weapon, neither of which will carry weapons that reflect light that can give away your position. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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packina40
Junior Member
USA
104 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2007 : 13:25:53
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I don't know...I'd think just about anything that's coated on a carry weapon is going to eventually show holster wear, especially if you practice hard.
That being said, it's just a cosmetic thing...still think it's a great pistol. |
"Oh, BOTHER," said Pooh, as he chambered another round... |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2007 : 15:35:22
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Originally posted by packina40
I'd think just about anything that's coated on a carry weapon is going to eventually show holster wear, especially if you practice hard.
ever owned a glock? the tenifer finish is amazing. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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packina40
Junior Member
USA
104 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2007 : 04:49:44
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Originally posted by Nathan
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Originally posted by packina40
I'd think just about anything that's coated on a carry weapon is going to eventually show holster wear, especially if you practice hard.
ever owned a glock? the tenifer finish is amazing.
I've fired a few, but never owned one. Like you, I'm an old 1911 guy, and I could just never get used to the odd grip angle on the Glock. They call it ergonomic, but not to my hand.
I like the looks of the M&P, but the more I consider my next purchase, I'm leaning hard towards the XDs. I've put a few hundred rounds thru the wife's XD-9, and that is one sweeeeet shooter. Now I just have to decide whether to go with the XD-40 or the XD-45. |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2007 : 05:28:40
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| xd is another good one. im sure ill have one in the end. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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CLR
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 03/26/2007 : 05:47:39
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| I really like my XD 45. |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2007 : 11:42:18
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Originally posted by CLR
I really like my XD 45.
im gonna have to pick one of those up too. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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ducktracy
New Member
USA
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Posted - 05/17/2007 : 13:14:59
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great review. Right on target plus some really good points.
It looks like they took a glock trigger,1911 style frame,walther back strap,sig take down level, and a ruger take down toggle (not sure what it is called sorry)inside the weapon.
The only thing I dont like is its take down. having to pull out the pin(though just about anything that will reach will work) and use it to push down the toggle is a bit much.
I really like this weapon. I feel real safe with it. |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 15:33:06
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| i agree completely. the take-down can be a pain, but i understand why they did it. apparently its to much to ask folks to clear the weapon before pulling the trigger to release the striker. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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bodiddley
New Member
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Posted - 05/17/2007 : 16:01:42
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| June Shooting Times has an article on the M&P 45 acp. I don't know if they are actually shipping yet. |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 18:26:55
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| they are, i held and almost bought one. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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Lew
Senior Member
1430 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 19:16:24
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Hey, Nathan. I am not too proud to accept hand-me-downs ya know! Any you don't fancy any more will get a good home!
Seriously though, I was looking at a S&W similar to that but the slide was more silver colored. New in Box was 250-275 If I remember right. I almost bought it but did not want the .40 at that time. |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 19:49:24
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| i intended to buy it but the dealer made me angry. after literally dozens of gun purchases in the last year alone he wanted $579 on the weapon from me just because its the first m&p .45 in montana. that was a month ago or so, and its still sitting in the case. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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Lew
Senior Member
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Posted - 05/17/2007 : 20:14:54
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| Good lord, he should be cutting you a deal on every one, just to keep you coming back! At the rate you buy, I thought to make a go of it as a ffl in Montana! |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 21:25:45
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Originally posted by Lew
I thought to make a go of it as a ffl in Montana!
i thought about it, but the money i would save isnt worth the hassle. decent dealers only make 10% anyway and i wont begrudge anyone from making a fair profit. as i understand it, dealers make their money in used guns, ammunition and accessories. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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Lew
Senior Member
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Posted - 05/17/2007 : 21:29:53
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| That is what I thought too. It is also cost prohibitive in initial inventory. Thousands just in Shelf filler. |
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-- Adolph Hitler
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"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." George Washington |
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Craig
Advanced Member
USA
2146 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2007 : 21:49:06
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| My dealer has so little markup on new firearms its as if they are the loss-leader to get people to buy other things. He make more $$ on used than new, a lot more. |
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pm576
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 05/28/2007 : 11:02:07
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I just picked up one of these myself. It came with three clips, three grips,holster, and holster for the 2 extra clips.
Only cost me 523. |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2007 : 13:52:48
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| you take it shooting yet? |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
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report - S&W M&P .40
