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Grimmit
New Member
USA
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 Posted - 01/09/2009 : 20:10:18
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I will reiterate that I'm a new member and a new gun owner. I was able to take my gun home today, I have not fired it yet because I wanted to properly read everything first. The manual is very terse and hardly addresses cleaning your weapon. I have a 45M&Pc and I wanted to know how often one should clean their weapon and if anyone knows any good online resources that discuss proper technique and supplies. Thank you
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 20:54:58
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hello,
while i dont recommend it to others (for liability reasons) CLICK HERE to see how i clean and lube my weapons. you should clean and lube yours after every range session. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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LKline
Jew-Jitsu Master
USA
5029 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 21:03:06
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I am a bit OCD about cleaning my weapons every time I fire them.
I use the typical powder solvent (Hoppe's usually)
ream the barrel in one direction with a bore brush
run cleaning patches through one after another till the patches come out basically clean
lube on the MFGers recommended lube points with RemOil. not to excess and I typically use a cleaning patch to dab oil on rather than dripping it on & wiping excess off.
Like I said, I am a little OCD about it. It may not be the right way for everyone but it works very well for me.
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LKline
Jew-Jitsu Master
USA
5029 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 21:04:38
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Almost forgot... If it is a new weapon (like it was with my Wlather) get all the factory gunk off before clean & lube
That stuff is nasty. |
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Ohio9
Advanced Member
USA
2764 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 21:50:39
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I am most certainly not the cleanest person out there, but I ALWAYS clean my weapon after every trip to the range. Even if your weapon is not fired for a long time, you should still put some more lube slide and rails every month.
Also cleaning your mags every few months is a good idea too. |
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mattinglyt
Watchdog
USA
11956 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 22:03:22
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| I clean my weapons basically the same way that Nathan does. What I do a little different is I scrub and clean everything w/ Hoppes #9 before I spray off w/ the non-chlor. brake cleaner and I wipe most parts down w/ Rem oil and put gun grease where the lube is needed. |
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bwatkins1223
Advanced Member
USA
2837 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2009 : 04:27:32
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Originally posted by LKline
Almost forgot... If it is a new weapon (like it was with my Wlather) get all the factory gunk off before clean & lube
That stuff is nasty.
+1 sometimes guns come with a very thick, sticky, gunk on the barrel and slide which, I have found to make the slide feel horrible. I always clean a brand new gun before firing it.
I clean it after every time I shoot it, unless I am camping then it may go a week while I am there but when I get home it gets a scrub.
I also try to give my every day carry gun a good cleaning or wipe down if I can't get to the range because mine picks up lint, dust, and other every day crud.
I have personally tried Nathan's non-Cl brake cleaner and Mobil 1 on my full size M&P 40 and it worked great. I also like Hoppes solvents. The M&P's are good. I would say as long as you keep that M&P fairly clean, it will be a great, reliable gun. |
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DaddyO16
Advanced Member
USA
6026 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2009 : 09:16:54
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| I'm also a believer in the non-chlorinated brake cleaner; I just have to do it outside. I also use Mobil One Synthetic to lube my toys with. I did discover, though, that the brake cleaner will take paint off. |
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gunslinger
Advanced Member
USA
2072 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2009 : 09:27:32
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| I stick with Hoppe's #9--bore brush first dipped in it, then patches. Clean it all off and use Rem Oil for lube. Just started with the Rem Oil and really like it. Spray into tight spaces, use on a patch for the bore and drip on the rails then let it run down. The added teflon really makes it flow nicely. And I also clean every time I shoot, unless I'll be using that gun again within a week or so. Final wipe down with silicone cloth. I like brake cleaner for cleaning rotors, not guns. |
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Grimmit
New Member
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2009 : 10:02:42
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| Thanks all it is much appreciated, and thanks for the vid Nathan |
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Jacobite
Average Member
USA
538 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2009 : 10:14:39
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I use Hoppe's To clean with and Fp 10 or a grease made in Switzerland to lube with depending on the weapon. If the gun was used to shoot lead bullets I also use patches made of lead removal cloth.
I clean new guns before shooting and after every range trip. I also clean guns that have already clean when the voices in my head tell me to. |
Jacobite
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2009 : 10:40:33
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Originally posted by gunslinger
I like brake cleaner for cleaning rotors, not guns.
dont use gunscrubber. put a can of it beside a can of non-chlorinated brake cleaner and youll find theyre one in the same. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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LandonJ
Advanced Member
USA
6375 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2009 : 14:57:17
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| I just used the non chlor brake cleaner and I must say that I'm a believer now. |
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Bulldog
Whiney [img]smileys/censored.gif[/img]er
USA
3168 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2009 : 02:07:53
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| Like Nathan said & pointed out the brake cleaner is way far less in price than the gun scrubber. thanks Nathan for your CLICK HERE REVIEWS, I wish that there was a way for you to list all of the CLICK HERE'S that you have done in the past so that we can reference them and watch each one of them as needed. Let us know if this possible for you to list all of them on one post to look up, thanks |
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gunslinger
Advanced Member
USA
2072 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2009 : 10:26:49
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Originally posted by Nathan
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Originally posted by gunslinger
I like brake cleaner for cleaning rotors, not guns.
dont use gunscrubber. put a can of it beside a can of non-chlorinated brake cleaner and youll find theyre one in the same.
Even the non CFC brake cleaners are too harsh. You never get the crud in a pistol that you get in the hardware for drum brakes or the road crap that can accumulate on a rotor. And anything made of plastic or wood they'll do a job on--bad juju on polymer pistols. Just too caustic for guns, imo. Hoppes has been around forever and is made for guns, so I'll stick with what has worked. Outers is good, too. And, as I said, I really like the Rem Oil for lubing afterwards. |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2009 : 11:39:00
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Originally posted by gunslinger
Even the non CFC brake cleaners are too harsh.
what does that mean exactly? i realize its a natural assumption, but have you anything that specifically shows it somehow does any damage what-so-ever to a firearm? its all steel on steel, and modern protective coatings are unaffected. please explain with something specific.
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anything made of plastic or wood they'll do a job on
again, have you anything specific to substantiate that? modern brake parts are full of plastic and rubber parts that are of lesser quality than the polymer used in modern gun frames and yet they are unaffected by brake cleaner.
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too caustic for guns, imo.
this is exactly what im looking for. is your disagreement due to anything tangible or is it an unsubstantiated opinion.
thanks, |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2009 : 11:39:57
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Originally posted by Bulldog
I wish that there was a way for you to list all of the CLICK HERE'S that you have done in the past so that we can reference them and watch each one of them as needed.
im actually working on doing just that prior to compacting my DB. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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clint
Junior Member
201 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2009 : 13:06:43
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| I've used the brake cleaner on guns and it works great but I tried to use it on my Victorinox Swiss army knife and the plastic scales started to melt. |
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victor152
Starting Member
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2009 : 18:45:38
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| Try electronic cleaner made by CRC. It is made for delicate electronic components and is not as harsh as brake clean. It leaves no residue. |
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Bulldog
Whiney [img]smileys/censored.gif[/img]er
USA
3168 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2009 : 20:16:14
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| Nathan you must of been reading my mind on the CLICK HERE'S Thanks What a guy, I noticed on your video of the gun cleaning that you sit with a loaded gun at the ready & besides you have Luger laying down watching your back HA HA HA nice thanks again |
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Bulldog
Whiney [img]smileys/censored.gif[/img]er
USA
3168 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2009 : 20:20:12
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| Nathan you have been using the non clorinated spray on your polymer guns without any damage problems like the melting of any of the gun parts on the Glock's & xd guns correct ? |
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gunslinger
Advanced Member
USA
2072 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2009 : 12:57:54
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Originally posted by Nathan
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Originally posted by gunslinger
Even the non CFC brake cleaners are too harsh.
what does that mean exactly? i realize its a natural assumption, but have you anything that specifically shows it somehow does any damage what-so-ever to a firearm? its all steel on steel, and modern protective coatings are unaffected. please explain with something specific.
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anything made of plastic or wood they'll do a job on
again, have you anything specific to substantiate that? modern brake parts are full of plastic and rubber parts that are of lesser quality than the polymer used in modern gun frames and yet they are unaffected by brake cleaner.
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too caustic for guns, imo.
this is exactly what im looking for. is your disagreement due to anything tangible or is it an unsubstantiated opinion.
thanks,
I was in the auto repair business about 12 years ago. Owned a shop in NH. We used the non-CFC brake cleaners and the vendor specifically said to be sure not to use on plastic parts. Rubber was ok--e.g., brake cylinders, boots on old style drum brakes or CV boots, but polymer parts could be damaged. He also cautioned about getting any on wood in that it could discolor the finish if it was stained/varnished. From what he said, when they removed the CFC they increased the caustic element to take off oil/grease more readily. The main componenet in plastics: oil. So, a bit of advice from back in the day and an assumption on my part. Probably not as bad on some types of plastic, but why take the chance? Glock et al polymer may be fine, I can't say for certain, but for my 2 centavos I'll stick with what I know is harmless to them like Hoppes or Outers. |
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Nathan
Big Sky Guy
USA
21632 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2009 : 13:01:54
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Originally posted by Bulldog
Nathan you have been using the non clorinated spray on your polymer guns without any damage problems like the melting of any of the gun parts on the Glock's & xd guns correct ?
i have experienced no damage of any kind what-so-ever on any of my weapons. the only possible issue i foresee is the red paint on some extractors, but ive experienced no issues there either. |
Nathan In Montana, carrying a Gen4 Glock 19 loaded with Federal 147 grain +P JHPs carried in a Galco King Tuk thats worn on a Wilderness Instructor's belt.
NRA Certified Instructor, Rifle, Shotgun and Pistol
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gunslinger
Advanced Member
USA
2072 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2009 : 13:06:20
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Originally posted by gunslinger
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Originally posted by Nathan
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Originally posted by gunslinger
Even the non CFC brake cleaners are too harsh.
what does that mean exactly? i realize its a natural assumption, but have you anything that specifically shows it somehow does any damage what-so-ever to a firearm? its all steel on steel, and modern protective coatings are unaffected. please explain with something specific.
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anything made of plastic or wood they'll do a job on
again, have you anything specific to substantiate that? modern brake parts are full of plastic and rubber parts that are of lesser quality than the polymer used in modern gun frames and yet they are unaffected by brake cleaner.
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too caustic for guns, imo.
this is exactly what im looking for. is your disagreement due to anything tangible or is it an unsubstantiated opinion.
thanks,
I was in the auto repair business about 12 years ago. Owned a shop in NH. We used the non-CFC brake cleaners and the vendor specifically said to be sure not to use on plastic parts. Rubber was ok--e.g., brake cylinders, boots on old style drum brakes or CV boots, but polymer parts could be damaged. He also cautioned about getting any on wood in that it could discolor the finish if it was stained/varnished. From what he said, when they removed the CFC they increased the caustic element to take off oil/grease more readily. The main componenet in plastics: oil. So, a bit of advice from back in the day and an assumption on my part. Probably not as bad on some types of plastic, but why take the chance? Glock et al polymer may be fine, I can't say for certain, but for my 2 centavos I'll stick with what I know is harmless to them like Hoppes or Outers.
I tried to edit, but somehow wasn't able to. (Misspelled 'component') But wanted to add that the very few plastic parts in brake systems where brake cleaner could be used are undoubtedly made with a chemical composition that immunizes them from brake cleaner damage. As I said, not being a chemical engineer by any means, I can only go on what I was told and logical conclusions. It may well be that firearms made of plastics also comprehend the need for greater robustness. And back 12-15 years ago, non CFC brake cleaner was still new and plastics made the way they had been for decades on cars. |
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COCounselor
Junior Member
USA
311 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2009 : 15:07:30
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I was curious about something:
There is a local dealer that I went to to stock up on cleaning supplies. I could hardly contain my ethusiasm as I bought my first bore brush, patches...haha. He recommended this All-In-One stuff and said I didn't need any oil. I disregarded his advice and bought Rem Oil anyway.
What do you all think about the All-In-One stuff, namely "G96 Gun Treatment." It's suppose to "Clean, Lubricate, Protect." |
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Sean99TJ
Watchdog
USA
3468 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2009 : 15:23:08
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some folks swear by it.....I dont. You need solvents to clean the residue from shooting, after that you need to ensure there is a proper lubrication film as directed by the manufacturer. Since solvent destroys oil and grease.....what exactly is in the all in one that allows it to be what it says it is?
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