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"Nice" pistol reccomendations

Postby Sebastian777 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:51 pm

Well it's tax time and I'm thinking about a new pistol. Not looking for something to carry necessarily, more focused on something that makes you appreciate the fine work that went into it. A safe queen that can go to war. Would like to have something that looks nice, but a wide range of looks appeals to me. General budget is $1000, won't be disappointed in spending less or a little more. Looking primarily at 9mm, but wouldn't be opposed to a 45 or other caliber.

I've considered getting a 1911, but I have a Colt Series 70. The Sig P226 has my eye, but it's just the first one I'm looking at. The P250 is under consideration as well since it's one of the best feeling guns I have ever gripped. (Haven't fired one). Is there any downsides to the polymer Sigs?

So while I have Sig on the brain, I'm looking for other suggestions as well.

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Re: "Nice" pistol reccomendations

Postby Nathan » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:20 pm

Sebastian777 wrote:A safe queen that can go to war.

HK45 or the 9mm version, the P30.

The P250 is under consideration as well since it's one of the best feeling guns I have ever gripped. (Haven't fired one).

I really think you should before you consider purchasing one. There were several members of this forum who bought the 250 and then sold them soon there after. Mattman is one I remember but there were several others as well. The 250 was the biggest failure Sig has produced.
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Re: "Nice" pistol reccomendations

Postby Sebastian777 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:53 pm

HK is another I need to look at, forgot about them.
Now that I think about it, it may have been the P220 that I held at the gunstore.
Nate, which Sig would you recommend? How do you feel about the polymer Sigs?

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Re: "Nice" pistol reccomendations

Postby Hand and Steel » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:01 pm

Check out the Sig P226 Elite Stainless. Those are some nice pistols. They feel great in the hand, and Sig's short reset trigger is fantastic. Unlike the standard P226 with the aluminum alloy frame, I do not find them to be at all top heavy or unbalanced.

A CZ 75B with polished stainless finish is also a beautiful and highly functional pistol, though I would recommend a few modifications - (16 pound recoil spring from Wolff, Mec-Gar Optimum 17-round magazines, and a stainless steel guide rod and solid firing pin retaining pin from CZ Custom). The ergonomics are unreal, and the 75 has a well earned reputation for being nearly unkillable. With massive global distribution, these pistols are very battle proven.

The Beretta 92FS Inox and Brigadier also fit the requirements for a "nice" pistol that could go to war. If you don't mind having a pistol with somewhat less pedigree and slightly rougher craftsmanship (but at least equal functional quality and reliability), a Taurus PT 92 AFS has a lot to recommend it, though there are some modifications I would recommend (which I described in some detail in this post - http://www.concealedcarryforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=714). Not only has the Beretta seen extensive military use worldwide, but the Taurus version of the 92 has as well. BOTH are extremely reliable battle proven weapons.

It would also be hard to go wrong with the classic Browning Hi-Power. The ergonomics are spot on, they are good looking pistols with excellent craftsmanship, and they have been proven in combat since the second world war. The blued models are stunning. The black epoxy coated models are more practical in my opinion, but are still good looking pistols. The size of the Hi-Power is interesting, in that they have what would be, by today's standards, a compact size frame and a full length slide. As a result they make an excellent choice for concealed carry. Interestingly, they also seem to generate more velocity out of their 4.62" barrel than many pistols with slightly longer barrels. Overall it's a historical classic that looks great, has stellar craftsmanship, and can be counted on when the chips are down.
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Re: "Nice" pistol reccomendations

Postby Nathan » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:28 pm

Sebastian777 wrote:Nate, which Sig would you recommend?

I like my 229R just fine, but it's not a $900 gun. It's functional and shoots nice and the SA trigger is excellent (after having Sig Custom Shop rework it) but at the end of the day there really isn't anything all that notable about it. If anything, I don't like that the controls are counter-intuitive (slide release behind the decock).


How do you feel about the polymer Sigs?

I like them just fine I suppose, but:

more focused on something that makes you appreciate the fine work that went into it

...you aren't going to find this in a polymer Sig. They work and shoot just fine, but there really is no fine work.
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Re: "Nice" pistol reccomendations

Postby MisterB » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:40 pm

Stay away from polymer Sigs. Glocks are much better

Now, classic P series Sigs? I have multiple, and I love them very much. Similar to driving a fine German car like a BMW, Audi, Porsche. They just feel right and perform well, but you can go to war with them.

I think a nice DA/SA short reset trigger (SRT) P226 is in order. Get an Elite or maybe a Legion series. They also have a 226 Extreme, that has a bunch of goodies on it, but no nonsense.

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Postby Sebastian777 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:08 pm

And this is why I missed you guys on my ongoing car building hiatus. I didn't even think about a Hi-Power or CZ, forgot about HK, and now have a better idea of what to look for if I go with a Sig.. One thing I will add is that I'm looking for something that is great all around, out of the box. That's not to say that I will never, ever modify it, but at this time I'm not looking for something that feels like it needs to be upgraded as soon as I get it.
As to your comment Hand and Steel, that pedigree and fine craftsmanship is something I'm looking for. MisterB kind of hit the nail on the head comparing it to driving a German sports car.

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Postby MisterB » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:40 pm

Sebastian777 wrote:And this is why I missed you guys on my ongoing car building hiatus. I didn't even think about a Hi-Power or CZ, forgot about HK, and now have a better idea of what to look for if I go with a Sig.. One thing I will add is that I'm looking for something that is great all around, out of the box. That's not to say that I will never, ever modify it, but at this time I'm not looking for something that feels like it needs to be upgraded as soon as I get it.
As to your comment Hand and Steel, that pedigree and fine craftsmanship is something I'm looking for. MisterB kind of hit the nail on the head comparing it to driving a German sports car.


None of those Sigs I listed would need anything, but the Legion series is known for having a custom shop type trigger, great sights, nice grips, and all sorts of goodies. They sell new for about $1,175. Now, there is one thing that's a turn off, and it's the membership to the special Legion club that comes with your purchase. It lets you get overpriced Legion branded shot glasses, cigar holders, and other stupid stuff. If you can look past that, it's a very nice gun out of the box that sounds like a match for what you're looking for.

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Re: "Nice" pistol reccomendations

Postby yankeejib » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:07 am

How about a Smith 686+ .357 with a 6 or 8 inch barrel? Or better yet, a .44? Phenomenal triggers, accurate like a rifle, nice mass to counter big loads, fun to OC.
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Postby Nathan » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:24 am

MisterB wrote:there is one thing that's a turn off, and it's the membership to the special Legion club that comes with your purchase.

Plus once you become a member of the Sig Legion Operator's Club you can change your username from Sebastian777 to Operator777. You'll also need to get the Sig Legion Operator's Club bent paperclip logo tattoo'd on your neck so that everybody at the range will know you're a real badass before you even fire a shot. Or you could take the Sig Legion Operator's Club coin and heat it up with a torch then brand the logo on your neck so that you'll get all the girls! :D 8) >:) :twisted: :D

In all seriousness I know that the Legion series is an excellent firearm but Sig ruined it's potential through the stigma of an "Operator's Club" where suddenly you're an elite operator just because you bought a gun. It's marketing to the lowest level. It's "Gecko45" level mall cop crap.

...I'm not saying that I wouldn't own a Legion Series gun; I'm just saying that I wouldn't admit to owning a Legion Series gun. 8)
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Re: "Nice" pistol reccomendations

Postby MisterB » Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:03 am

A realist that doesn't care what others think, will look at the Legion series pistol itself for what it is, and ignore the image and the special club. Since you're wanting a very nice pistol that out of the box doesn't need anything, the Legion is a solid match. If you were to buy a basic P226, and then go about adding all of the Legion type upgrades, it would cost you more money in the end, not to mention more hassle.

Since I already have so many nice P series Sig's that are very close to being Legions anyway, I'm most likely sitting the Legion series out. If I were buying my first Sig right now, and wanted one that fit your criteria, it would definitely be a strong contender.

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Postby Nathan » Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:12 am

MisterB wrote:look at the Legion series pistol itself for what it is, and ignore the image and the special club.

...just a shame they put such a stigma on an otherwise great gun.
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Postby Dubhan » Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:05 pm

Ifn I was going to drop a grand or thereabouts on a non carry 45. (If you arent going to carry it, why fuck around with small?) Besides the HK45 I would also seriously consider an FNX45 or its "tactical" version.

I know, you said "safe queen", but imo, something pretty enough to serve as functional art cant be had for 1k. Youd have to go 2500 or much higher and get something like a hand engraved Dan Wesson or similar.

On the other hand, a giant 15+1 45 hurling hand cannon can live in my nightstand like a fire breathing gargoyle of apocalyptic doom, I dont have to open the safe to appreciate its beauty, and i wont cringe every time i fire it at the range, either from recoil, or from fear of devaluing such an investment.

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Postby Nathan » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:01 pm

Dubhan wrote:something pretty enough to serve as functional art cant be had for 1k

I was going to say the exact same thing. There are many fine guns in that range certainly, but nothing I would appreciate for artistic value.
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Postby MisterB » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:37 pm

Keep in mind that spending much more than $1,000-$1,500 on a pistol expected to be functional art, is a somewhat futile exercise, because then you're less and less likely to shoot it properly. It could be an extremely capable gun, but the higher the dollar figure above that threshold, the more it'll get in your head.

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Postby hkguy » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:52 pm

there is nothing wrong with polymer sig's, y'all just haters. If you like the P250, check out the P320, its got the same ergo's as the 250 but a much nicer trigger.

the one gun that has really caught my eye that was just announced at shot show is the 4" Springfield EMP. They will probably be closer to $1200.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... mpion-9mm/

Personally, if i were in your shoes, i'd also be on the look out for a good deal on Dan Wesson 1911's. I picked up a gently used PM-9 for $900 about 6 months ago and would not hesitate to buy another. Last i saw, Buds gun shop had a stainless DW specialist for $1400

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... 5+ACP+5%22

with your budget, you have a lot of options between revolvers and pistols.
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Re: "Nice" pistol reccomendations

Postby Hand and Steel » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:13 pm

Dubhan wrote:something pretty enough to serve as functional art cant be had for 1k.

Nathan wrote:I was going to say the exact same thing. There are many fine guns in that range certainly, but nothing I would appreciate for artistic value.

Obviously you fellas never dated any Czech girls. :D
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Postby MisterB » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:52 pm

Hand and Steel wrote:
Dubhan wrote:something pretty enough to serve as functional art cant be had for 1k.

Nathan wrote:I was going to say the exact same thing. There are many fine guns in that range certainly, but nothing I would appreciate for artistic value.

Obviously you fellas never dated any Czech girls. :D
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If you've never seen or held one of the high polish 75s in person, you're missing out. With wood or aluminum grips from Hogue, they are even more outrageously beautiful.


That's nice. A lot of my fellow hard core Sig fans, also collect CZ's. I've been meaning to hold one sometime, and go from there

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Postby Sebastian777 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:16 pm

As far as the price, I'm expecting BMW, Audi, lower Porsche, etc. I realize I'm not going to get a Bugatti, McLaren, Pagani, etc. I love my Glock 19 and don't see anything (currently on the market) taking it's place on my hip, but when holding and working something like a Sig P220, you can just feel a difference in the craftsmanship. I realize there's a difference between a pistol that cost several thousand vs one that only cost around $1000. Just looking for something "nicer" than the usual carry pistols. On a side note, I'm also considering building a Glock.

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Postby Nathan » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:53 pm

The CZ 75 is a nice gun certainly, but a "work of art"? I don't think it's even close. I don't find the CZ 75 to be any nicer or less nice than a BHP.

If you want a real "work of art" for around $1,000, the only thing that would fit that would be an S&W P&R revolver. No finer handgun has ever been made yet they're still grossly under-valued.

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Postby MisterB » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:54 pm

Sebastian777 wrote:As far as the price, I'm expecting BMW, Audi, lower Porsche, etc. I realize I'm not going to get a Bugatti, McLaren, Pagani, etc. I love my Glock 19 and don't see anything (currently on the market) taking it's place on my hip, but when holding and working something like a Sig P220, you can just feel a difference in the craftsmanship. I realize there's a difference between a pistol that cost several thousand vs one that only cost around $1000. Just looking for something "nicer" than the usual carry pistols. On a side note, I'm also considering building a Glock.


Absolutely. First time I shot my P226 Elite Dark, I got a grin on my face, followed by saying "wow" out loud. Memories of driving high end German cars over the years flooded me, and I suddenly "got" what the big deal is. I'd be lying if I told you I didn't sort of cop a snobbish outlook for a brief moment, as I looked back on lesser guns I had owned over the years. My ego got another boost, when I brought my target back in, and more closely examined the tight grouping I shot lol. A Sig short reset trigger (SRT) is a thing of beauty. Of course, when I got home and proudly showed my target to the little lady, she was less than impressed ;)

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Postby Sebastian777 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:39 pm

Nathan wrote:If you want a real "work of art" for around $1,000, the only thing that would fit that would be an S&W P&R revolver. No finer handgun has ever been made yet they're still grossly under-valued.


Not a 29, but I do have a Model 27-2 as well as a Model 10-2, not to mention the 460 XVR. For revolvers, I'm good, for now, I think...

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Postby Nathan » Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:30 pm

Do you know the difference of a P&R?
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Postby Hand and Steel » Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:35 pm

Nathan wrote:The CZ 75 is a nice gun certainly, but a "work of art"? I don't think it's even close. I don't find the CZ 75 to be any nicer or less nice than a BHP.


You mean you don't consider the Hi-Power to be a work of art? :shock:
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Postby Nathan » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:12 am

A Hi-Power is a highly functional aesthetically pleasing combat grade weapon certainly, but I don't view them as a "work of art" in the same way as a P&R Smith. I have absolutely no hesitation carrying a Hi-Power daily whereas I wouldn't consider carrying a P&R S&W daily because I want to preserve their value. Aside from an occasional range trip just to remind myself how fortunate I am to own them, they are kept in a climate controlled safe and are rarely ever exposed to outside air. Whereas the mighty Hi-Power is a mass produced assembly line gun, the hand craftsmanship in the P&R guns (the older the better) is second to none.
The Smith P&R guns should be similar in value to a second generation Python but they aren't and tend to sell around $1,000. One day this is certain to change.
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