Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

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Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Ohio9 » Thu Mar 24, 2016 7:49 pm

Just picked up this bad boy today

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =547412505

Upon which I learned two depressing facts:

Tube extensions for the Mossberg 500 don't exist

20 gauge buckshot ammo is almost impossible to find anywhere.

Oh well, still a nice gun for days when I don't feel lugging around the heavy 870 12 gauge.

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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Nathan » Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:59 pm

Nice, and after 29 bids!
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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Ohio9 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:03 am

Nathan wrote:Nice, and after 29 bids!


That was actually the most depressing part. I was about to get it for 200 dollars. But of course, on the last day some jerk had to come along and get into a bidding war that jacked the price up way beyond what I was hoping. There's always one guy you can rely on to ruin a great deal.

Still I love how lightweight the 500 is compared to my 870 12 guage. I just wish I had done my homework better and learned that the 500 doesn't support tube extentions. If I had known that, I probably just would have gotten the 20 guage version of the 870 instead.

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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby yankeejib » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:16 am

You have a good bird gun now, and you can go shoot traps/skeet for more than an hour without killing your shoulder.
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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Ohio9 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:14 pm

That's not actually what I got it for. Depending on range performance, this could replace my 12 guage as my primary home defense shotgun.

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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby samuelrp » Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:54 pm

Congratulations!! Today is s great day to make a firearm purchase.
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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby hkguy » Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:39 pm

keep an eye out at your local walmart/meijer/other big box grocery store, thats where i got all my 20ga buckshot. it was roughly $1 a round for 2 3/4 20 pellet #3. patterned well out of my 26" 870 20 ga out to 30+ yards.

this is part of my bugout kit for my 870 20ga. I also have a 55 round bandolier at the ready too that i can easily grab. the 20ga is a vastly under rated HD platform IMO.
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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Ohio9 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:32 pm

Turns out Academy Sports is a good place to order 20 guage buck online. It's just 5 dollars per 5-round box and most importantly, the shipping is free after 25 dollars of purchases. For most online ammo purchases, the shipping is so expensive that it's not worth it unless you buy a huge amount of ammo at once. I prefer to buy small quantifies over a long period of time.

I agree the 20 gauge is badly overlooked as a defensive firearm. Sure it's less powerful then the 12, but it's easily to handle and still gets the job done. Heck, even a .410 has more power then a .44 magnum.

The big downside of the 20 gauge is that it's far harder to find accessories and ammo for it then it is for a 12.

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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby 11bravo » Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:25 pm

[quote="Ohio9] Heck, even a .410 has more power then a .44 magnum.

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Not to derail your thread, but what?

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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Nathan » Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:01 am

Ohio9 wrote:Heck, even a .410 has more power then a .44 magnum.

Um....say again?

A .410 slug is 90-125 grains and when fired from a handgun it's pretty anemic. I would take 9mm or .40 any day over .410 in a handgun (not all that great from a long gun, either). Save the .410 for shooting snakes and roving bands of attacking chickens. :)
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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Ohio9 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:25 am

I meant a .410 shotgun, not a .410 handgun. Sorry for not being specific.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/22/home- ... e-shotgun/

http://www.range365.com/410-as-home-defense-shotgun

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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Nathan » Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:36 am

Ohio9 wrote:I meant a .410 shotgun, not a .410 handgun. Sorry for not being specific.

It wouldn't make any difference; my response is the same. There is no .410 slug or otherwise that has more power than the weakest .44 Magnum. The .44 Magnum remains the #1 last resort grizzly bear defense. Nobody has ever in the history of man utilized a .410 for grizzly bear defense. I'm not correcting this just to correct you either; this could be a real safety issue if you really believe this.
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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Ohio9 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:38 am

Really? Guess I was under the wrong impression then. I don't own any .410s and I'm not planning to get any, but thanks for the correction.

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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Nathan » Sat Apr 02, 2016 5:17 pm

...glad to help. Sometimes it's just fun to be an asshole but in this case my concern was genuine. The .410 is a great snake gun and possibly as a choice for a beginner to shotguns but I've very little use for it beyond that. If I had a Judge/Governor revolver car gun it would be loaded with .45LC instead. .410 to the face at typical carjacker distance would be pretty devastating but beyond that distance I would never rely on it, despite the clever marketing behind it.
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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Ohio9 » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:29 am

Well in the mean time I've been at work decking my shotgun out. Another annoying thing about 20 gauges is their customization is tougher because add-ons are harder to find. Still I've purchased sling mounts, and I've got an elastic shell holster and a tactical sling on the way in the mail.

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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby yankeejib » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:40 am

Take it to the trap range and shoot it up. I think you'll find it's a lot of fun because it doesn't beat on you like the 12 gauge does. Just don't tacticool it up too much. Those skeet snobs with their $6,000 Brownings sneer at us guys wheeling Mossy's. The other fun I would try is getting some 20 gauge slugs and heading to the outdoor range with some cool stuff that blows up. Clays are fun, frozen water bottles (dyed red), pork shoulder, etc. You might be surprised how accurate you can be with just a bead sight.
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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Ohio9 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:22 pm

yankeejib wrote: Just don't tacticool it up too much.


I sort of did that with my 12 gauge Remington 870. When I got it I ended up putting just about everything on it that I could find: A side saddle, an extended tube, a sling, and a Knoxx comp-stock.

Not planning to do as much with the Mossberg, but I do think a sling and extra shell holder are essential for a defensive shotgun, especially one like the 500, which can't support a tube extension (something I really should have looked into before I bought it, I just assumed it did because the model is so popular)

yankeejib wrote:You might be surprised how accurate you can be with just a bead sight.


I've know that for a while. In fact, that's the only sight I've ever used any shotgun with, and it works fine.

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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Ohio9 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:43 pm

Well I took it to the range for the first time today, and was actually quite disappointed. Recoil was almost the same as it was for the 12 gauge. The difference between and 12 and 20 in recoil is like the difference between a .40 and 9mm, pretty much no difference at all.

Even more depressing was accuracy seemed to be much worse. I actually missed a few shots around 25 yards out with slugs. I don't think I've ever done that with any 12-gauge round I've ever fired. I can't think of any explanation, as this gun has the same barrel length as my 870.

Looks like this wasn't the gun I was hoping for.
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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Nathan » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:07 pm

I'm sad to see that you aren't happy with it; I know too well that let down feeling. :(
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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Ohio9 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:22 pm

Nathan wrote:I'm sad to see that you aren't happy with it; I know too well that let down feeling. :(


Out of curiousity, have you ever fired a mossberg 500 20 gauge?

In a few months I'm going to take it back to the range and see if it performs better with buckshot. Still the recoil was a major letdown. I just can't believe such a major size difference doesn't result in significant recoil reduction. I could get a Knox Comp-Stock for it to cut down on recoil. My Remington 870 has one and it reduces the recoil significantly. But that costs 100 dollars and is a real pain to install. I was really hoping I wouldn't need it for a 20 gauge.

Right now it seems the only good thing about the Mossberg 500 20 gauge compared to the 870 is that it's light as a feather and much more comfortable to carry around.

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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby hkguy » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:27 am

They are a very light gun with the synthetic stock so recoil will be comparable to that of an 870 12ga with wood stocks. you cannot ignore the laws of physics. Super light guns even in 20ga will have a fair amount of felt recoil. getting a "wood stock set" should help mitigate felt recoil but then the weight will go up a bit. My BPS 12ga is soft shooting and there is no noticeable difference between mild game loads and 3in mag duck loads but it tips the scales at nearly 8lbs with walnut stocks.

what choke were you using? i had really good results using an IC choke in my 870 20ga and foster style slugs pictured above. you might have to try a couple different brands of slugs and choke tube combinations to find what your gun likes.
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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Nathan » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:07 pm

Ohio9 wrote:Out of curiousity, have you ever fired a mossberg 500 20 gauge?

I have not, but I don't own any 20 gauges and have never bought one in my entire life. I've shot some 20 gauges but just never saw the point in giving up so much shot in the air for such a minimal difference in recoil. Even my daughters all started out on 12 gauge. A decent shotgun with a decent recoil pad and 7.5/8 shot isn't going to recoil excessively anyway so I standardized on the 12 gauge 35 years ago.
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Re: Just got a new Mossberg 500 20 gauge today

Postby Ohio9 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:43 pm

The main thing that attracted me to the 20 guage was it's light weight. It's much more comfortable to carry around then my 12 gauge, though to be fair I did add some modifications on the 870 that made it heavier, such as an extended tube and a side saddle that holds extra shells. However, I put those same modifications on my 20 gauge, and it was still significantly lighter.

Naturally I figured the recoil would be less as well, but it wasn't. Not to any significant degree. I could forgive that, but not the poor accuracy of the gun. This may be the most inaccurate long gun I've ever fired. I'm glad no one else was at the range with me when I managed to miss a human-silhouette target from 25 yards with slugs. That would have been embarrassing.


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