Terrorists, guns, and the constitution

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Terrorists, guns, and the constitution

Postby Sebastian777 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:30 pm

Constitutionality question here.

Instead of not allowing people on a watch list to buy guns, is there a better and constitutional way? Could we declare war on groups like ISIS, Taliban, Al Queda, etc, and then legally ban communication with them? Does the constitution allow for that?

If so, it would allow people to be arrested and jailed as soon as they do it, bypassing the need for a watch list in the first place.

Just a thought.

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Re: Terrorists, guns, and the constitution

Postby Hand and Steel » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:49 am

Sebastian777 wrote:Instead of not allowing people on a watch list to buy guns, is there a better and constitutional way? Could we declare war on groups like ISIS, Taliban, Al Queda, etc, and then legally ban communication with them? Does the constitution allow for that?


Technically, the Taliban are the remnants of a government which was overthrown by coalition forces without ever declaring war, and Al-Qaeda is pretty much mythological - it's more of an idea than an organization, like the militia movement in the US. Theoretically ISIS, since they have declared themselves to be a state, could be declared war on.

However, that would set a precedent which would be the wet dream of any federal agent with interest in a sting operation on someone they had it out for.

Sebastian777 wrote:If so, it would allow people to be arrested and jailed as soon as they do it, bypassing the need for a watch list in the first place.

They already have the NDAA, which allows for indefinite detention without due process if people are suspected of terrorism (notice how well it's working). The concept of banning people from owning firearms if they are on a terrorism watchlist has nothing to do with keeping weapons out of the hands of terrorists - it has everything to do with being able to put people on watchlists if the government simply doesn't like them and doesn't want them owning guns.

There is an ulterior motive to everything here (imagine that - politicians lying), and ultimately I strongly suspect that this latest terrorism attack was at least in part orchestrated by certain US intelligence agencies. Too much of it doesn't add up, too many "witnesses" seem to be lying, and too many people who were actually inside the club have stated that there was an accomplice, which keeps getting "overlooked" by the media. Don't trust the government on anything.
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Re: Terrorists, guns, and the constitution

Postby Nathan » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:24 am

Sebastian777 wrote:Could we declare war on groups like ISIS, Taliban, Al Queda, etc, and then legally ban communication with them? Does the constitution allow for that?

No; freedom of association applies. If we do that then who will be next? NRA? GOA? GOP? etc.
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Re: Terrorists, guns, and the constitution

Postby Sebastian777 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:25 pm

Nate, they would have to officially declare war on those groups, but I see your point.

Good points altogether, was just thinking about declaration of war, such as Rand Paul suggested, might allow for treason and espionage laws to block communication legally.


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