Misdemeanor - lose gun rights

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Misdemeanor - lose gun rights

Postby Nathan » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:39 pm

Have just one argument at home get out of hand, lose gun rights forever. Federal prohibition.

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Postby Dubhan » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:08 am

And the pot goes up one more degree.

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Postby Nathan » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:17 pm

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...this is huge and nobody (national press) is discussing it except for leftists who are celebrating it.
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Re: Misdemeanor - lose gun rights

Postby Ohio9 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:24 pm

The 2008 "Heller" case is looking more toothless every day. It seems the courts will deny any law violates the 2A unless it's a near-total gun ban.

That being said, I think a major factor in this case could be that the defendants were both very unsympathetic. Both of them had numerous convictions for domestic violence. Someone with multiple violent criminal convictions is not someone you want to make your case. It didn't help that one of them was caught with guns because he had committed a separate crime involving a firearm (not one involving violence against humans, but still)

Perhaps if it had been someone who had a single misdemeanor dv conviction 30 years ago and lived a lawful peaceful life since then, the outcome would have been different.

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Postby Nathan » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:42 pm

Ohio9 wrote:Perhaps if it had been someone who had a single misdemeanor dv conviction 30 years ago and lived a lawful peaceful life since then, the outcome would have been different.

While the case was about them, the precedent is about all of us now.
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Re: Misdemeanor - lose gun rights

Postby Ohio9 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:42 am

Nathan wrote:
Ohio9 wrote:Perhaps if it had been someone who had a single misdemeanor dv conviction 30 years ago and lived a lawful peaceful life since then, the outcome would have been different.

While the case was about them, the precedent is about all of us now.


I know, which is why it's a shame the case involved despicable defendants. Someone with 14 violent crime convictions, even if they are misdemeanors, is not someone you want making your case. In both the Heller and McDonald cases, the lawyers involved made sure their case was represented by defendants who had led lawful, peaceful, and productive lives.

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Postby Nathan » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:31 am

...Almost like it was intentional.
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Re: Misdemeanor - lose gun rights

Postby Ohio9 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:10 am

Nathan wrote:...Almost like it was intentional.


You mean in the Heller and McDonald cases? Indeed in those cases the defendants were intentional. Lawyers from the Cato institute sought out the best ones they could find to make the case.

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Re: Misdemeanor - lose gun rights

Postby samuelrp » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:01 pm

The local law is not always just, due to friendships, politics, back door deals and nepotism. But this is scary and you have to maintain focus and control to navigate today's society.
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Re: Misdemeanor - lose gun rights

Postby yankeejib » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:52 pm

samuelrp wrote:The local law is not always just, due to friendships, politics, back door deals and nepotism. But this is scary and you have to maintain focus and control to navigate today's society.


When someone says they have a DV conviction, you immediately picture some loose cannon who gets drunk and beats his wife and got caught, and I could almost agree to limiting this person's rights to firearms, yet, when you read about how many simple family disputes end in an arrest because cops aren't allowed NOT to arrest someone, you start to see the railroad job in effect.
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Re: Misdemeanor - lose gun rights

Postby Ohio9 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:39 pm

yankeejib wrote:
samuelrp wrote:The local law is not always just, due to friendships, politics, back door deals and nepotism. But this is scary and you have to maintain focus and control to navigate today's society.


When someone says they have a DV conviction, you immediately picture some loose cannon who gets drunk and beats his wife and got caught, and I could almost agree to limiting this person's rights to firearms, yet, when you read about how many simple family disputes end in an arrest because cops aren't allowed NOT to arrest someone, you start to see the railroad job in effect.


True, but the problem was this case the court reviewed did involve "some loose cannon who beats his wife and got caught". One of the two defendants had 14 domestic violence convictions. Even if they were all misdemeanors, that's still pretty bad. If the case had involved a guy with a single conviction from one incident a long time ago, perhaps things would have gone differently.

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Re: Misdemeanor - lose gun rights

Postby samuelrp » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:21 pm

If he smacked his spouse, I'm sure "he done it out of love". B(
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